Pickup truck disappointment

#61
another thing I don't like with new trucks, at least full size trucks....it's damn near impossible to get one with a manual transmission. I think Dodge is the last one to do so.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#62
Kevin, that is a cool looking rig but I bet it would pound your prostate up around your gizzard somewhere! I'll keep looking for a 2008 or later Dakota Club Cab 4X with the 5 speed auto, one owner and low miles. It could happen.
Ive , your right about that landcruiser. I just sold my FJ40 because my back couldn't take it anymore & the fuel bill was horendous. But it was a bullet proof rig & never left me stranded..
 
#63
Jerry, I am kinda in the same place as you-I custom ordered my '94 Ram and have put 135,000 miles on it since. But unlike yours nothing needs rebuilding or repair since it is still in excellent condition except for aging paint. I also had a canopy custom built for it which is 6'' higher than the cab and is outfitted with a full camping package that is very comfortable. It still delivers mileage within the 13-17 range on the window sticker and has never used oil thanks to a steady diet of Mobil 1 since it was new. I'll probably take it on my grand tour of Montana streams this year and have few qualms about it's dependability. In 19 years it has used a fuel pump and a starter.

But it is 2WD and as such it spends about 4 months of every year in the barn while the Explorer and van get the winter duty. The combined age of the truck and Explorer is 32 years and I would just like to get rid of both and replace them with an economical new AWD/4WD truck and have 2 brand new rigs. I drove the new Nissan Frontier and liked it's simplicity but 4WD can only be had with the V-6 and that gets less mileage than a new full sized Ram or Ford V-6. Obviously there is a lot of room for improvement there. And when they do make mileage improvements like everyone is advertising right now, all too often they are just gaming the EPA test and actual mileage bears little resemblance to the EPA numbers.

Another trick that is being employed to scam people regarding gas mileage is the mileage readout on the onboard computer. Almost all new cars have this feature and lazy journalist that regularly report on cars have resorted to using this figure as gospel when quoting gas mileage numbers. In most cases those things are wildly optomistic and your actual mileage when hand recorded from the odometer and gas pump will vary considerably and will almost always be lower. On my new van the computer readout is rarely within 2mpg of the actual mileage. Do the math for a month or two and you'll see what I mean.

Finally, the new Global Ranger is one of the most awarded trucks on the planet and would be an excellent rig with a 2.5L turbo diesel. But it's introduction into this country would put a serious dent in the sales of the bloated F-150's. Just as Ram has announced the new 1500 with a 3.0L Turbo Diesel coming this summer, someone will also jump into the void created by the loss of the smaller trucks. Whoever gets there first will run the table for awhile until the others catch up. I just hope it isn't the Chinese.

Ive
From what I have heard this Global model pickup is 0.9 the size of an existing F150. I'd love to see this here.

Stew
 

freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
#65
I had a Mazda B2000 and really liked that truck. Also had a Ford Ranger and like that one too. Then we decided on a larger truck camper and plans for a 5th wheel...so a 2+ year old Cummins 2500 CTD... may decide on one of this class trucks competitors, but doubt I will ever be going back to the wanna-be trucks again...these are just way too comfortable and offer lots of versatility.

That said, it does seem like the small truck market is lacking these days...
 

Krusty

Active Member
#66
I had a Mazda B2000 and really liked that truck. Also had a Ford Ranger and like that one too. Then we decided on a larger truck camper and plans for a 5th wheel...so a 2+ year old Cummins 2500 CTD... may decide on on of this class trucks competitors, but doubt I will ever be going back to the wanna-be trucks again...these are just way too comfortable and offer lots of versatility.

That said, it does seem like the small truck market is lacking these days...
The problem for the small trucks is that they are truly lacking in any sort of serious trailering capacity....even the Toyota Tundra is really kind of a lightweight as a 'full size' truck, in that respect.

And, if you're going to actually use the bed of truck for hauling stuff around...the small trucks really don't amount for much. The new Tacoma (which are now as big as the old Tundra) has a pretty small bed. Heavy loads of wood, or building supplies....forget it.
 

IveofIone

Active Member
#67
Krusty, you are preaching to the choir. We know small trucks don't do the work of full sized trucks-that's what we like about them. They don't weigh 3 or 4 tons either and they don't gulp disposable income $140 at a time when it's time to fill up. People who haul and tow big loads have always had access to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks to do their bidding. Those of us who just need some room to haul a pontoon, some bicycles or a load of fertilizer bags don't need a $40,000 truck with 400 HP to do that. Our lament is that the manufacturers have neglected us for so long and finally abandoned us altogether. They simply want us to spring for a full sized truck and it's vastly higher profit margin. I have a full sized truck that I towed my 5th wheel with for 16 years and hauled much of the stuff used to develop my property. The building is done, the 5th wheel has been sold and I want a smaller truck to make landfill runs, tow my little trailer and haul a couple of pontoons and get much better mileage. I can't get it unless I buy used and I am just pissed about it.

Stew, the new Ranger T-6 is a tour de force of pickup engineering. In the truck-off to determine the international pickup of the year award it was a unanimous choice and received more votes than the the next two finishers combined. It is tougher, quieter, rides better, hauls more and tows more than any of it's competitors. It is also more aerodynamic and gets better mileage than the competition. Apparently the rest of the world doesn't see the macho grill and 20'' step-in height as a good thing. It comes with a 2.5L gas engine, a 2.2 TDI 4 cyl engine and a 3.2L 5cyl diesel with 198 hp and a whopping 347lb-ft of torque. This engine gives the truck a 2,600 # load capacity and is rated to tow over 7,300#-not insignificant for a down-sized truck. With a 21 gallon tank the 2.2 is said to have a range of 621 miles although as much as 990 miles have been seen on the odometer before it ran out of fuel. In other words, if you don't drive like an idiot you can go a helluva long way on a single tank of fuel.

Obviously a truck this good and this efficient would just hammer F-150 sales along with Silverado, Ram, Tundra, Tacoma and a few others. It is a strange case of the best being too good for America. What the hell have we become?

Ive
 

psycho

Active Member
#68
Ive , your right about that landcruiser. I just sold my FJ40 because my back couldn't take it anymore & the fuel bill was horendous. But it was a bullet proof rig & never left me stranded..
I still have my BJ70 land cruiser, 13BT diesel engine, 25MPG and yes it still rides rough but the spring suspension seats help a lot.:D
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#69
I had a Mazda B2000 and really liked that truck. Also had a Ford Ranger and like that one too. Then we decided on a larger truck camper and plans for a 5th wheel...so a 2+ year old Cummins 2500 CTD... may decide on on of this class trucks competitors, but doubt I will ever be going back to the wanna-be trucks again...these are just way too comfortable and offer lots of versatility.

That said, it does seem like the small truck market is lacking these days...
There's a reason you liked the B2000 (same model I owned) it was a Ranger built for Mazda. Most likely it was built in the same plant as the Ranger.

While we're on the subject of diesels, beware. When it comes to the full size trucks, there have been problems. If you find a F series Ford with a 6.0 diesel engine, run fast, run far... they were plagued with problems.

The problem with diesel engines in full size pickups is that the engines were not really made for short trips to the grocery store. The addition of emission controls and turbos have caused problems.

The smaller European diesels are fine, but Cummings and International full size engines... beware. The new F series diesels after the 6.0 have a much better track record but that 6.0 was/is a disaster.

The pre-emission control full size diesels are okay if you're looking into a used pickup.

But remember, when it comes to diesels in pickups, they are still made to run long distances and haul, they are not a good computer vehicle.

The majority of warranty claims I process are for Ford and Dodge diesel engine pickup trucks. They have a long warranty and they need it. While the addition of turbochargers seems like a good idea and they do add power, it is the turbocharger system that has the most problems.

Jeep is releasing a new model Grand Cherokee with a turbocharged diesel engine but I'm not sure who is making the engine. Now that Fiat owns the company it could very well be an engine made somewhere other than the US and that could be good thing. Using technology for farm equipment and freight trucks to squeeze into a pickup truck hasn't worked out so well.
 

Peyton00

Active Member
#70
I had an old Toyota with a 5 sp. It wouldn't die, Great mileage and it was the vehicle i owned the longest. I gave it to my brother:confused: .
I have a Subaru Forester that gets 25+mpg in the city. I haul my 16' pontoon boat all over the state. The max. towing is around 2700 lbs. I haven't had an issue towing the boat over the passes to the Yakima or Grande Ronde and it will pull out of the sloppy mess at Decker Creek on the noochee. I also ride at Crystal Mnt all season long.
Since this is an SUV, the utility trailer is such an important accessory/tool.... it can take a beating with any supplies or project material i need, and my forester stays dent free and unscathed. I have a thule shell roof rack that i use for the snowgear, extra space while camping and rods etc.
I wont go back to a pickup after converting over to an SUV and utilizing the hitch options( trailers, bike rack etc). The forester is plenty big inside, I am 6'4" and 220 lbs. I am happy and cant go wrong with an AWD that seats 4 with pretty darn good MPG.
 

PT

Physhicist
#71
Peyton, what year is the Forester. I use an '99 Outback for a lot of things. My 3/4 ton GMC for the stuff my Outback won't do.

I get 20 highway with the Duramax if I keep it at 60 or below, 15 towing stuff.

24 highway in the Outback doing 70 with normal load.
 

David Loy

Senior Moment
#73
Before Obama bought my truck I had it in to the T dealer in Lake City for service. I had a question for the mechanic so they sent him out. Before long we were BSing and I lamented the fact that there were no diesel small truck options. He told me about a Land tCruiser he had just worked on. A European had purchases the car in England I think, for a drive around the world. He drove around over there and had it shipped to Canada. Drove it across Canada and dropped into the US for service. Tha mechanic asked him about the car. He said he kept track crossing Canada and got over 40 MPG. That's a pretty heavy car.
 

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
#74
Ive,
Did you forget? The NEW American Dream? It's NOT a house. It's a vehicle, a cell phone, and maybe a home theater system added. That's how these younger folks can afford it, because they will make those big fat payments that are less than a house payment (the past Amercian Dream). :eek:
Oh, and by the way, I just put a new fuel pump in my 2003 Dodge diesel for a mere $1000. My mechanic said if it would have been the fuel injector pump, it would have been $3500!! Go figure...greedy damn manufacturers, and greedy fuel corporations....my rant!
 

Drifter

Active Member
#75
Traveling for work in the 80's and 90's fishing and hunting all over the western states I bought a 83 4x4 toyota truck and it never left me anywhere. never had to be towed and I beat it to death but it wouldn't die. I went through a tranny since they were bad in the early models but a lot of the workers bought the early toyota trucks - most reliable trucks ever made with the 22R 4 banger engine.

Now I am about to turn 400,000 thousand miles on my 94 toyota truck I bought brand new and have beat the hell out of it also. second engine and a couple 523 gear sets in the rearend because of the lift and tires but this truck never had to be towed, small v-6 and has been all over the western states. going to eastern Oregon next week and it will turn 400,000 miles on the trip. most reliable trucks ever built if you ask me! building rail roads in some of the most remote areas of the western US from the Cali deserts to the Canadian border to Nebraska and every little gravel road and mountain range in between if you want reliability and a truck that will get you almost anywhere (they sink in swamps like most trucks) buy a Toyota!

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