Lenore Poachers Get Theirs

freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
#46
A deliberate law breaker is a law breaker... not likely one I care to meet. Showing that little respect for a resource that anyone paying attention to life knows is challenged is bullshit and they should get hammered for it!
 

dbk

Active Member
#47
A deliberate law breaker is a law breaker... not likely one I care to meet. Showing that little respect for a resource that anyone paying attention to life knows is challenged is bullshit and they should get hammered for it!
another irony... we have such respect for the resource we claim to know (the environment) and yet have no respect for the life of a person whom we have never met, and yet are as quick to dismiss or "throw away" that person as (in this case) that person threw away the life of those fish we are so desperately trying to protect....
 

Mingo

the Menehune stole my beer
#48
The irony being this thread is full of comments about the people who committed this crime posted by many (if not all) who have never met them and do not know them, and yet are very quick to "preach" about who these people are and what should happen to them.....
Lighten up, Francis. People are venting and expressing their frustrations over the actions of these scumbags. We don't "know them"? Sure we do. They are thieves. Ripoff artists. Criminals. Who needs to meet a thief? Their actions speak for themselves. They are no different than people who break into your house and rip you off while you're at work, or break into your car while you're parked and trying to enjoy yourself by going fishing.

Many of us have seen our local fisheries degrade and go to hell recently, thanks to selfish scum like these thieving bastards. We don't "know them"? Of course we do. This was a well-orchestrated crime that took planning and was likely successful several times before they were caught. They ripped us ALL off. I could care less what led them to commit the crime. They did it and now they have to pay for it.
 

David Dalan

69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E
#50
Vitaliy Kachinskiy, 23, of Mount Vernon and three Everett men: Sergey Otroda, 32, Igor Bigun, 26 and Oleg Pavlus, 25.​
He also quotes the local enforcement chief:
“We have members of two ethnic groups involved with an annual thing of illegal netting that’s causing great concern for our fish program,” said WDFW Capt. Chris Anderson in Ephrata. “One group has been caught targeting mostly whitefish at Banks Lake and this group was targeting the big spawning cutthroats at Lenore. The 242 fish were just one night’s catch. We’re not sure how many nights or weeks worth of fish they’ve taken out of the lake.”
And Landers notes:
This is a huge bummer for fishermen. Not only do we deal with environmental issues that plague fish, but also with human pond scum that will do this to a fishery that means so much to anglers and the local economy.



Smoked fish is a culturally significant food amongst Eastern Euros. My guess is that was were there intentions...

I'd be $100 it' the roe they're mostly after. Or that this is one of the more saleable components.
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#51
Honestly, I think the worst punishment would be to send them home to whatever shithole they crawled out of. Living in the eastern bloc countries is worse than American prison.
Yes. Prosecute 'em, fine 'em, etc, and then deport 'em. That would be the preferred way to get rid of 'em. But I'm not concerned if any of them died when trying to escape. I see that the missing perp survived and was rounded up. I actually think that would have been a good thing if he had expired. One less piece of shit poacher. Let us not forget that these perps are professional organized criminals. They have no regard for life, be it a fish's or your own. They would probably kill you if necessary to keep from getting turned in.
 

yellowlab

Active Member
#52
I'd be $100 it' the roe they're mostly after. Or that this is one of the more saleable components.
There are various Russian grocery stores and one in particular that we walked into and amazed to see whole smoked trout of
very large size in the deli case. We wondered where such sized fish would
come from and at what cost as the case was packed with several trophy sized fish. I'm sure they'd make the most of the roe as well as the flesh.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#54
Compassion comes with a cost. Leniency proves that crime pays.

Philosophically I think that most of the people obey most of the laws most of the time. It's that subset of potential humanity that needs to be hit however hard it takes to "bring 'em around." I'm an old liberal who has finally concluded that lethal force is the appropriate response to B & E, . . . and poaching unless they were starving. Somebody driving a 2005 Tacoma isn't starving. They got off way easy.
 

teedub

Active Member
#55
I can't pass up throwing in my two cents worth.. I don't need to know these clowns. I am assuming the Officers were telling the truth and the story presented is close to the facts - the courts can sort that out. Having said that, I have zero respect for the shit heads that come to this county to ruin US resources because life is better here and the punishment is waaaaaay less harsh than Russia. I don't need to know them at all! I would like to see them on a milk carton, in a version of Russian language meaning they were deported - post haste!
 
#57
It has been a bummer to watch the once productive fishery of lake Lenore nose dive. I used to fish it regularly but have not over the past six years do to the unusually slow fishing. Hopefully with these guys out of the equation and more emphasis on enforcement around the lake it will return to the fishery it once was.
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#58
Freestone and I just spent the day in Olympia at the IFPAG meeting. I had an opportunity to ask an enforcement sergeant afterwards about what would have happened if the seized vehicle may actually have been owned by a bank while the owner was making payments.

He pointed out that since the bank has a lien on the vehicle and uses it as collateral to secure the loan, seizing the perp's truck meant WDFW probably returned it to the bank who actually owned it. Since the bank was innocently unaware of the owner's intention to use their truck in committing a crime, they typically return it to the original owner in hopes they will keep making payments. However, it the truck is seized again after another crime, the state really does seize the vehicle and both the perp and the bank lose. I asked him how often that really happens and he said, "More times than you'd think."

So it looks like the truck owner will likely get his truck back. The question is, can he keep it until he eventually pays it off?

K
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#59
Really??? :confused:

Although I think these A-holes should get the full punishment they deserve (and yes, I've sent my personal message to the Grant County prosecutor), do you really want to trade a human life for any number of fish?

I know your sig says you're the "meanest S.O.B. in the valley" but you'd want to see someone die for stealing fish?

Sorry bud, that's just not my philosophy.

Obviously, YMMV.
In a heartbeat. Humans aren't an endangered species; there's enough decent people around, so we can stand to loose a few scumbags here and there. While I respect your opinion completely, I don't share it.
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#60
another irony... we have such respect for the resource we claim to know (the environment) and yet have no respect for the life of a person whom we have never met, and yet are as quick to dismiss or "throw away" that person as (in this case) that person threw away the life of those fish we are so desperately trying to protect....
This sounds like the "walk a mile in their shoes" philosophy. While you're certainly entitled to hold that view, obviously I don't share it. My take on all this is that this is what's wrong with American jurisprudence-i hold that in complete contempt. This garbage KNEW what they were doing was wrong, and tried to run away from the consequences. We have a great catch and release justice system, and it shows in the light punishments usually handed down after plea bargaining. These days, crime does pay, and the crooks know it. They'll get a fine, and as you already learned, will probably get the truck back in the bargain. I'm not pining for the fish here, I'm pissed because there's no real incentive to prevent them from going right back to crime. And I'd also point out that if they did this, they probably did more, only this time they actually got caught. I reserve my empathy for people who deserve it.