Advanced Indicator Rig Instructional Video

#19
Shit, somehow I got lost and stumbled into iFish...anybody know how to get back to the WFF?


Big difference between feeding fish and finding players.
 

Luke77

I hope she likes whitefish
#21
Big difference between feeding fish and finding players.

Wait...What?

Based on your statement, I'm guessing you're making two assumptions.
1, a "player" is a fish that isn't eating (otherwise there would be NO difference and your statement wouldn't make sense) but rather taking a fly out of aggression.
2, bead fishing is capitalizing on the fishes desire to consume calories. Therefore:

Beading = fish eating the offering for caloric intake
swinging = fish aggressively attacking the offering
Beading <> fish aggressively attacking the offering
swinging <> fish eating the offering for caloric intake

But I guess this all really depends on if steelhead indeed "eat" and/or strike a fly out of aggression, both of which can't be "proven". Therefore there can be potential for:

Beading = fish aggressively attacking the offering
swinging = fish eating the offering for caloric intake

Which then of course proves your statement incorrect.

I mean, isn't that part of the allure to the creature? We just don't know why they do what they do...or do you know so much more about the topic that you can make statements like above and expect everyone to jump on the wagon? Just curious.
 

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#22
Wait...What?

Based on your statement, I'm guessing you're making two assumptions.
1, a "player" is a fish that isn't eating (otherwise there would be NO difference and your statement wouldn't make sense) but rather taking a fly out of aggression.
2, bead fishing is capitalizing on the fishes desire to consume calories. Therefore:
my take is that he meant one technique puts the "fly" right at the fishes face (ie. feeding) and the other requires the fish to move to the fly (ie. player).
 

hydrological

beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto
#25
to each their own. as long as your method doesn't mame and mangle the fish you release, or have a higher mortality rate for wild fish, fine.
in many places.certain methods are banned, because they're too effective. tnt for instance, or no boat fishing on the D. thats how you protect wild fish, by reducing human contact by regulating the methods allowed, not eliminating it by closing the river, once every wild fish in the river has been caught several times,.
 

skyrise

Active Member
#26
Jason, thanks for your posts. keep the ideas coming.
the fly line as bobber stop i think was on Red's as well.
why have the bead 2-3 inches up from the hook? when drift fishing we always have the corky/bead right next to the hook. just always did it that way i guess.
 
#28
Jason, thanks for your posts. keep the ideas coming.
the fly line as bobber stop i think was on Red's as well.
why have the bead 2-3 inches up from the hook? when drift fishing we always have the corky/bead right next to the hook. just always did it that way i guess.

This is so when you set the hook it will stick in the side of the mouth of the fish, rather than them swallowing the hook. In AK, it is a state law to keep a bead 2 inches above the hook or free sliding.
 
#29
hydrologica is bead fishing more detrimental to wild steelhead then gill nets? If so then I will throw away all my beads. The answer to that question by the way is that gill nets have a higher mortality rate and if you don't agree with that then you don't know what a gill net is or how it works. Until WDFW and the tribes decide to manage wild steelhead properly I will continue to follow the guys swinging flies for winter steelhead with nymph rigs and actually catch fish instead of practicing my spey casting over a couple thousand fish that return to the hoh over the course of 5 months.

If I want to catch a nice steelhead on the swing I will spend my money in a different country (Canada) and actually have a chance at hooking a few fish a day. By the way if the state managed the fishery properly and there were an abundance of steelhead to be caught like there should be I would spend thousands of dollars to fish for them. Instead I will gladly pay thousands to go to Canada and fish over fish.
 

CLO

Future WFF Mod
#30
hydrologica is bead fishing more detrimental to wild steelhead then gill nets? If so then I will throw away all my beads. The answer to that question by the way is that gill nets have a higher mortality rate and if you don't agree with that then you don't know what a gill net is or how it works. Until WDFW and the tribes decide to manage wild steelhead properly I will continue to follow the guys swinging flies for winter steelhead with nymph rigs and actually catch fish instead of practicing my spey casting over a couple thousand fish that return to the hoh over the course of 5 months.

If I want to catch a nice steelhead on the swing I will spend my money in a different country (Canada) and actually have a chance at hooking a few fish a day. By the way if the state managed the fishery properly and there were an abundance of steelhead to be caught like there should be I would spend thousands of dollars to fish for them. Instead I will gladly pay thousands to go to Canada and fish over fish.[/


If you can't catch fish without spending "thousands" in any country I think you should quit fishin in my opinion.