8wt sink tip line question

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#17
It's a learning curve. I fully plan on going 2h in the future, I just know my skill level isn't there yet. I also fish from a drift boat 70% of the time on these rivers so distance isn't huge.
I found learning to spey cast to be easier than learning to double haul.

Few hours on YouTube and one day on the water and you'll be able to cast your 2hander and get leader turnover so you're in the game fishing. Not saying you will throw 70ft loops, but you will be fishing just fine and have more line control than a 1 hander
 
#18
Also, get a single-hand spey casting lesson...you won't regret it. The Versitip II is indeed the way to go on an 8wt single-hander.

I'd throw in the idea of a Echo SR 6 wt switch with 8 wt Ambush line...bases covered. Have fun!
Ed
 
#19
I hate you guys haha, I'm seriously considering nutting up and getting a spey now. Pacific Fly FIshers have some Echo combos all put together for a few bucks cheaper than the 8wt outfit I picked out... Decisions decisions.
 

tonemike

fish'n glass
#22
i just got a Wulff Ambush line and an extra-fast sinking Airflo 10' head, but i've been just fine fishing a mastery type IV sink tip for years. nothing wrong with your standard sink tip line... as long as it's at least a type V.
 

PT

Physhicist
#23
A teeny 200 helped put my first few dozen fish in the bag. I'd rather be losing flies than fishing 4' off the bottom.
 
#24
Looking at picking up a new 8wt single hand combo for Steelhead. I'm thinking of going with a Sage Approach 8wt rod and a Lamson Litespeed 3x reel. Looking at 8wt sink tip lines I'm not sure what rate of sink to get. I mainly fish the Wenatchee, Methow, and Sky rivers. I'm thinking a 6" per second sink would be ideal, get the fly down to the desired depth of around 6-9' or deeper quick so I have my fly in the strike zone near the bottom for the majority of my run, but I'm a total noob when it comes to this. What is the consensus on this? What is everyone else using. Looking specifically at the Scientific Angler Mastery Wet Tip lines. Trying to buy the whole package from one local source (Pacific Fly Fishers to be exact). I wont be going 2 hander as I don't feel my casting ability is up to it. I want to try and double this rod as a bass rod as well, but the top priority is Steelhead. Thanks!

Alpine

At Pacific buy a Rio Skagit Max short in about 275 grains, and a floating running line. Michael will cut the loops off the Skagit and the running line, then weld them together for you. You will fish this set up with three MOW tips, floating and two different sink rates. That covers almost all steelhead conditions in a nice 30 foot configuration. I would be surprised if you did not get 70 feet, out of the box, without any false casting. That is for any casting ability.

My 8 wt is ten foot and very fast and stiff, so I use the 325 wt skagit. The Sage rod you are talking about may not handle the 325 grains, that's why I said 275 grains. If you do this, then think about a little bigger reel to handle the larger line. I use a Lamson Guru 3.5 and I think it is perfect.

good luck
 
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golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#25
Alpine

At Pacific buy a Rio Skagit Max in about 275 grains, and a floating running line. Michael will cut the loops off the Skagit and the running line, then weld them together for you. You will fish this set up with three MOW tips, floating and two different sink rates. That covers almost all steelhead conditions in a nice 30 foot configuration. I would be surprised if you did not get 70 feet, out of the box, without any false casting. That is for any casting ability.

My 8 wt is ten foot and very fast and stiff, so I use the 325 wt skagit. The Sage rod you are talking about may not handle the 325 grains, that's why I said 275 grains. If you do this, then think about a little bigger reel to handle the larger line. I use a Lamson Guru 3.5 and I think it is perfect.

good luck
Mending a Skagit Max head with running line using a single hander sounds painful
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#27
Sorry I assumed it was implied.

A downside of all shooting heads is the lack of line control you have with it. Its really hard to properly control a fat heavy head that's far away especially when you only have a 9ft or whatever size 1hander to lift line up wth. Seeing as a skagit max cut up in the way you suggested would be one of the most extreme shooting head setups imagineable, its safe to say it would be painful to mend. My outbound short line is hard to mend when compared to other lines, so a shorter skagit Max would be worse.

For ease of casting I have no doubt your setup would Bomb casts and be great but when he's trying to steelhead as stated then line and fly control would be sub optimal. Nothing you said is wrong I was just stating a harsh downside to the setup.
 
#28
Sorry I assumed it was implied.

A downside of all shooting heads is the lack of line control you have with it. Its really hard to properly control a fat heavy head that's far away especially when you only have a 9ft or whatever size 1hander to lift line up wth. Seeing as a skagit max cut up in the way you suggested would be one of the most extreme shooting head setups imagineable, its safe to say it would be painful to mend. My outbound short line is hard to mend when compared to other lines, so a shorter skagit Max would be worse.

For ease of casting I have no doubt your setup would Bomb casts and be great but when he's trying to steelhead as stated then line and fly control would be sub optimal. Nothing you said is wrong I was just stating a harsh downside to the setup.
1. The Skagit Max is not cut up in any way, the back loop is removed to facilitate smoother action through the guides. That in turn allows a wider range of casts.

2. The head of this Skagit Max with the tip is exactly as long as the head on your Outbound Short. Extreme? How? Please explain.

3. My Skagit set up turns over better than my Outbound Short in approximately the same weight.

4. I understand that longer rods mend better, and that thicker lines mend better. At 60 ft. and beyond there is no issue. Mending casts beyond 70 ft. what would be a better set up in a line with tips? The Rio Versi Tip with a little longer belly? Not beyond 70 ft. Maybe for some but I like the greater, really great, versatility of the MOW tips and the 30 foot head.

5. Please tell us what would be the optimal line for a single hand 8 wt.

6. I see no harsh down side, no downside at all to this set up. A thirty foot shooting head with interchangeable tips is optimal for steelheading. Especially on the Wenatchee if you ever get out of the boat.

These are the reasons that fisher persons worked like hell back in the day to create these things. These are the reasons that knowledgeable people at the major manufacturers create them today. And these are the reasons you shouldn't chirp if you haven't had the relevant experience.
 
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#29
Dude is trying to get a two hander now, so ya'll arguing like girls over what line is right for steelhead on a one hander is worthless. BUT to add to that discussion, it is user preference. Go with what works for you!
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#30
Dude is trying to get a two hander now, so ya'll arguing like girls over what line is right for steelhead on a one hander is worthless. BUT to add to that discussion, it is user preference. Go with what works for you!
I just stated one fact and that dude went off on illogical tangents. Don't lump me in with him por favor