Yarnies - Love or Hate?

On the flip side, there are different standards.

I know guys who look down and are disgusted by others using "skagit" lines.

others who refuse to use anything other than floating lines.

others who refuse to use anything other than traditional non weighted flies on floating lines...for both summer and winter steelhead. Should we all feel lessened and "not worthy" because of this?

This summer, my sons and I were fly fishing a lake, casting toward shore. We got tired and decided to "attach" some split shot on our lines and row/troll around the lake. AT that point we considered ourselves "gear" fishing with fly rods, and we were ok with that. Nothing wrong with it, we had fun, caught fish etc. Obviously, others here in this discussion would consider that still "fly-fishing". We all have different standards and viewpoints. When these standards and viewpoints do not match up or align just right, we have disagreement and conflict.....and thus 14 pages of entertainment.
 

Chris Bellows

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This summer, my sons and I were fly fishing a lake, casting toward shore. We got tired and decided to "attach" some split shot on our lines and row/troll around the lake. AT that point we considered ourselves "gear" fishing with fly rods, and we were ok with that. Nothing wrong with it, we had fun, caught fish etc. Obviously, others here in this discussion would consider that still "fly-fishing". We all have different standards and viewpoints. When these standards and viewpoints do not match up or align just right, we have disagreement and conflict.....and thus 14 pages of entertainment.
the biggest problem is that if you were in the "industry" you would call it fly fishing, post pictures of all the fish you caught "on the fly" and never make mention that you were trolling. it's called tofino fly fishing.
 

Lex

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Is this flyfishing? lol. I fish. Dont' care if it's fly or gear or what ever grey area bastard of a hybrid as long as it's legal AND FUN! SAGE 5 weight, full sinking lake line, rainbow needlefish, lunker lotion, electric motor on speed #2 and lots of PBR on my favorite Okanogan lake.
 

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I am a steelhead fly fisherman and I have caught lots of steelhead while fly fishing. I have caught almost all of my fly caught steelhead while wade fishing and casting with a fly line to move my equipment out to a seam. My equipment almost always includes an indicator and weighted flies and on occasion a small split shot. If you adamantly continue to say that that is not fly fishing, I will continue to just laugh at you. I am not offended by your opinion, I just think it is ridiculous. You plain make me laugh. Please continue to make me laugh, I'm enjoying the entertainment. The idea that suddenly and indicator no longer makes it fly fishing, that some self proclaimed "elitists" feel they have the gonads to be the gods that make that decision is just as I said before, laughable.

Now randomly take a sample of 100 people and bring them out and have them watch me fish and ask them what type of fishing I'm doing. I imagine that an over whelming number of them will say I am fly fishing. Now take a random sample of fisherman (not just fly guys) and do the same thing, again over whelmingly I bet they'll say I'm fly fishing. Now take a bunch of self proclaimed fly fisherman (well at least 80% of the time anyway) and once again, I bet that I'm called a fly guy again. Now continue this process until we make it to just people who swing and now we might run into a situation where the percentage drops to less than 50%. Ha ha ha, I'm not a fly fisherman, ha ha ha. I just can't stop smiling. Sopflyfisherman, thanks for keeping this joke rolling!
" me thinks thou doth protest too much"
 
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lol, Lex, that's funny. yep, sometimes I troll with my fly pole with a full sinking fly line and a weighted wooly bugger. I just call it trolling with a fly pole. who cares. I have fun.
JW
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
because bobber guys are hung up on being called fly fishermen. the know deep down they are not, but they want in the club so badly. its simple boys, read the sign on the door. no floats allowed.
Because swinging guys are so hung up on not giving up on the idea that indicator fishing isn't fly fishing, even though they know deep down inside that it really is, but they want their club to be super duper exclusive, you know like back in the "good ole days" "It's simple boys, read the sign on the door, ..."
 
No one seems to care and yet the argument goes on, why is that?

Here is what happens.....;)

Johnny flyfisherman is put into a trance seeing and hearing stories along with videos about majestic steelhead being taken on the swing. He can't help himself... thinking about it constantly...at work, at home...on the john. All these pictures of guys catching steelhead and talking about it.... Surely johnny can do it too. Johnny pays out the ass for gear, new rods, lessons, flies, etc etc. In the process of buying all the said gear...Johnny just about loses mrs. johnny with his new financial endeavors... but he's gonna catch one and it will be glorious beyond all his wildest dreams.....

Johnny tries so hard to get one....He tries and tries one season after another. Johnny at one point decides it is damn near impossible to catch one on the swing. "What a bunch of crap!", he thinks to himself. Then Johnny is tempted to use the floats, and bobbers, and splitshot that helped him so easily catch steelhead before this new addiction came along. He concedes to his temptation, and Resorts to gear fishing...er I mean putting gear on a fly rod and calling it fly fishing..... then it happens... Johnny catches a steelhead on gear attached to his fly rod.

Johnny takes pictures of his glorious accomplishment, and posts on all the internet forums along with Facebook etc. Johnny receives lavish praise and cheer from family friends and relatives. Johnny is now a fly fishing expert master steelheader guru and gives lots of advice and suggestions to all those other poor souls who haven't paid their dues and still have not caught a fish on a fly rod.

Johnny goes fishing again and catches another fish on his same gear, and posts another picture on the net. In johnny's carelessness, he accidentally shows the yarnie in the corner of the fish's mouth. Quickly, another fly fishing master expert guru notices the yarnie and calls Johnny out telling him he caught it on gear, and to grow up, to be a real man and not use all that gear on his Fly rod.

Johnny gets upset, and then begins to tell everyone on the net to F-OFF. He begins to tell everyone it takes mucho more skills and abilities to catch a steelhead on nymphing gear....with all that mending and casting of splitshot and bobbers... so much more than just casting a fly out there at a 45 degree angle and "swinging" into shore...Any buffoon can do that.

You see, Johnny doesn't want to lose his status as a fly fishing master expert Jedi guru steelheader, and anytime someone brings up nymphing vs swinging, he defends nymphing to the death. Finally, there are a few who consistently and often catch steelhead on the swing...why? Because they paid their dues and stuck with it and never gave up. These special fishermen know the work involved, the psychological pain, the psychological suffering, and struggle they went through to consistently catch fish, on the swing, on their own, and without a guide. Anytime a young wannabe johnny fly-fisherman comes along and tells the world that nymphing and swinging are the same thing or equal, those in the special club get pissed and tell johnny its not the same thing. And the war continues and continues throughout all time and eternity.......
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
Here is what happens.....;)

Johnny flyfisherman is put into a trance seeing and hearing stories along with videos about majestic steelhead being taken on the swing. He can't help himself... thinking about it constantly...at work, at home...on the john. All these pictures of guys catching steelhead and talking about it.... Surely johnny can do it too. Johnny pays out the ass for gear, new rods, lessons, flies, etc etc. In the process of buying all the said gear...Johnny just about loses mrs. johnny with his new financial endeavors... but he's gonna catch one and it will be glorious beyond all his wildest dreams.....

Johnny tries so hard to get one....He tries and tries one season after another. Johnny at one point decides it is damn near impossible to catch one on the swing. "What a bunch of crap!", he thinks to himself. Then Johnny is tempted to use the floats, and bobbers, and splitshot that helped him so easily catch steelhead before this new addiction came along. He concedes to his temptation, and Resorts to gear fishing...er I mean putting gear on a fly rod and calling it fly fishing..... then it happens... Johnny catches a steelhead on gear attached to his fly rod.

Johnny takes pictures of his glorious accomplishment, and posts on all the internet forums along with Facebook etc. Johnny receives lavish praise and cheer from family friends and relatives. Johnny is now a fly fishing expert master steelheader guru and gives lots of advice and suggestions to all those other poor souls who haven't paid their dues and still have not caught a fish on a fly rod.

Johnny goes fishing again and catches another fish on his same gear, and posts another picture on the net. In johnny's carelessness, he accidentally shows the yarnie in the corner of the fish's mouth. Quickly, another fly fishing master expert guru notices the yarnie and calls Johnny out telling him he caught it on gear, and to grow up, to be a real man and not use all that gear on his Fly rod.

Johnny gets upset, and then begins to tell everyone on the net to F-OFF. He begins to tell everyone it takes mucho more skills and abilities to catch a steelhead on nymphing gear....with all that mending and casting of splitshot and bobbers... so much more than just casting a fly out there at a 45 degree angle and "swinging" into shore...Any buffoon can do that.

You see, Johnny doesn't want to lose his status as a fly fishing master expert Jedi guru steelheader, and anytime someone brings up nymphing vs swinging, he defends nymphing to the death. Finally, there are a few who consistently and often catch steelhead on the swing...why? Because they paid their dues and stuck with it and never gave up. These special fishermen know the work involved, the psychological pain, the psychological suffering, and struggle they went through to consistently catch fish on the swing on their own without a guide. Anytime a young wannabe johnny fly-fisherman comes along and tells the world that nymphing and swinging are the same thing or equal, those in the special club get pissed and tell johnny its not the same thing. And the war continues and continues throughout all time and eternity.......
My condolences for your obvious psychological pain and suffering, I can see now how profoundly all of that effort to catch a steelhead with an inferior method impacted you personally and why you might assume all indicator fisherman are Johnnies. I can also see how you might want to take out your frustration on everyone who didn't follow the same path to marginal success that you did. I can see that you need to tell yourself that you are better because you chose to do things the "hard way", it is likely the only way you can live with yourself. Although I have never even come close to being offended by anything you or any other swinging zealot have had to say, I do feel sorry for you now.

All my fellow indicator fly fisherman, let's give these poor swingers a break and let them live with the consequences of how they chose to chase steelhead. If they want to tell the world that the only true stellhead fly fisherman are those who swing, lets give that to them, even though we know the truth. It looks like they need it more than we do, poor fellows.