Yarnies - Love or Hate?

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
Article on Dave Whitlock's strike indicators:

For 50 years Dave’s been developing strike indicators for more successful nymphing. The Telstrike Indicator is his most productive and favorite design to date. It allows strike detection of nymphs or micro-jigs faster and more accurately than any other design on the market. It is durable and trouble free, casts smoothly, lights on the water softly and reveals when the fly has reached its maximum depth.

The Telstrike ‘flag’ visually telegraphs every move the fly makes and alerts the fly fisher.
I like your take on this flyfishmt and it was my plan to go there next if needed. I was going to ask the traditionalist to say that Brian Chan and Phil Rowley were not flyfisherman. Your examples I think are much better. I wonder if they are willing to step and say that some of the greats of the sport were not or are not actually flyfishing.
 

Freestone

Not to be confused with freestoneangler
So what we need is super-dense tippet and floating leaders with a bright spot on them; that way we can get a vertical presentation without attaching anything to the line...
Many Czech nymphers already essentially do this with fluorocarbon tippet and sections of colored leader, often forming the colored leaders into a spiral strike indicator made of just leader material (commercially produced ones are also available).



The spiral strike indicator is not a bobber so I am unclear if it is fly fishing or gear fishing. It is equally confusing that the technique was used to win the World Flyfishing Championship so while they clearly see it as fly fishing, it is designed to catch more fish, not fewer fish. So confusing... But if this spiral indicator is still fly fishing, what about a short extra section of hollowed-out fly line, a small piece of wool or yarn indicator? If no shot is used is that still gear fishing? And what about those pinch-on foam indicators? Like I said, it is all very confusing...
 
I don't have a dog in this fight(other than the link about beaching fish), but I will say this: I've had recurring dreams of getting the perfect drift with an indicator. I've never had dreams about getting a perfect swing.
 

Peyton00

Active Member
I am curing the eggs i have from the 4 coho hens we landed on the Chehalis yesterday. I am going back down this Friday to kill more coho on the same spinner. I am bringing my new 6wt fly rod. I will be trying for my first coho on a fly rod.

sidetrack is over...... carry on!
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
alright ira I'll bite. bobber down!...'.......... i do not believe chronomid fishing with an indicator is flyfishing either. i mean half those guys throw it over and paddle away. no casting!!! bobber watching!!!!!!! i would need some powerful drugs drugs to make that tolerable.
Good for you sop, I knew I could count on you! As it is, I anchor, cast and retrieve my indicator while stillwater fishing. I'm giving another presentation on my techniques to yet another fly club on Thursday (funny, no gear clubs have asked me to present yet, maybe I'm missing a viable market :)). Please don't let them know that what I'm instructing them in is not actually fly fishing.

As for drugs, I prefer beer while out indicator fishing on a lake, but I am never bored doing it. My mind is constantly processing information and I'm making adjustments all the time to what I'm doing. Just like any type of fishing, those who engage in it with fidelity will overall catch more fish than those who don't.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
I am curing the eggs i have from the 4 coho hens we landed on the Chehalis yesterday. I am going back down this Friday to kill more coho on the same spinner. I am bringing my new 6wt fly rod. I will be trying for my first coho on a fly rod.

sidetrack is over...... carry on!
Thats cool. I also fish spinners for coho , in fact I make my own spinners because I enjoy all aspects of the fishing game.
 
Interesting how this has spawned a different topic. How much does the way we choose to fish have to do with our own perception of the excitement or pleasure we get from it?

Ira has said he enjoys watching the bobber go down. I would say that can be fun, but for me it is nothing compared to the feel of a fish slamming a fly and nearly yanking the line from your hands.

You hear about this a lot as it relates to education, in the sense that there are visual, auditory, and kinesthetic learners (though most people are a combination of the three).

Me, I think I'm mainly a kinesthetic learner--that is, I learn by doing, by feel, etc. I wonder if those of you who enjoy fishing an indicator (above other methods) would consider yourselves to be more visual learners, or visual people in general?

Just a thought.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
Interesting how this has spawned a different topic. How much does the way we choose to fish have to do with our own perception of the excitement or pleasure we get from it?

Ira has said he enjoys watching the bobber go down. I would say that can be fun, but for me it is nothing compared to the feel of a fish slamming a fly and nearly yanking the line from your hands.

You hear about this a lot as it relates to education, in the sense that there are visual, auditory, and kinesthetic learners (though most people are a combination of the three).

Me, I think I'm mainly a kinesthetic learner--that is, I learn by doing, by feel, etc. I wonder if those of you who enjoy fishing an indicator (above other methods) would consider yourselves to be more visual learners, or visual people in general?

Just a thought.
Oh, I'm definitely a visual learner, but I still get that sudden slam as well at some point during the fight. You know when that fish just suddenly takes off without warning and rips across the river. So in away I get both. But I totally understand that for some people that unknown slam is what it is all about, it just doesn't do the same thing for me. In this argument though I'm not sure I have ever heard of an indicator fisherman disparaging a swing fisherman for how they choose to fish (ok maybe to tease them a bit when they get out fished ;))
 

Charles Sullivan

ignoring Rob Allen and Generic
Saying that bobber and shot fishing is not flyfishing is not disparaging a person. It's an opinion about a method. It says little or nothing about the fisherman.

Go Red Sox,
cds
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
just because the industry says your great doesn't make it so. jim teeny was supposedly great yet he was really just a fancy snagger. he talked to many fly clubs too I'm sure.
True, but at some point those who are revered in the industry are revered for a reason. Please openly call all of them out as not being flyfisherman/women because they promoted the use of indicators, it will openly prove what I've been trying to say all along.
 

PT

Physhicist
True, but at some point those who are revered in the industry are revered for a reason. Please openly call all of them out as not being flyfisherman/women because they promoted the use of indicators, it will openly prove what I've been trying to say all along.
What are you trying to say? You want into the club? Does it really bother you that some don't really consider bobber and shot as fly fishing? Who really cares. I don't consider Skagit casting to be in the same realm as those who fish the long lines but it's nothing more than an opinion formed from my own beliefs.