9lb G.L steel

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  1. Coach Duff

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    What's really interesting is that this massive planting committment. We can say whatever we want in the PNW but the GL boys are hooking fish, and in reality in numbers we have never seen in the PNW ever in recent memory. Now I am a wild fish believer, but this is a man made run so much like our shitty hatchery efforts in the PNW man needs to keep it moving. But two GL posters so kindly sent me some great info in PMs that show there are good self sustaining runs. Interesting stuff. In fact a couple of rivers have not been planted for decades and are still kicking ass. I am going to be doing some reading and digging next week as I have a few days off. And thanks greatly to you GL vets who have sent me PMs and reading material. You guys are class anglers I appreciate your experience and knowledge. Anybody else have some more info on the planting committment or commercial fishery in the GL on either salmon, searun browns or browns or bows? Coach
     
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    You should take your own advise. :rolleyes:
     
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    You should read my post more carefully.
     
  5. Coach Duff

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    Topwater and others have mentioned on here or in PMs a huge charter business for these Great Lakes and tribs. Do folks in the GL eat fish they land or are those in the "know" shying away from eating these fish due to pollution levels. Can I can see a scenerio where out of towners kill, keep and take home fish to wherever and locals release them due to known pollution levels? There seems to be conflicting levels of beliefs on pollution levels.
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  6. John Hicks

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    I could be wrong but I think that the Great Lakes were planted with Salmon and Stealhead in order to combat the huge alwife and herring problem that came about due to the eirie canal. The herring and alwife were so thick that the shores would be covered in their stinking dead bodies come spawning time. The government planted a fish that would mitigate this explosion in the late 1890's. I think that the sport fishing was just added beni. Please someone feel free to correct me on this.

    From what I have heard the steelhead and salmon populations exploded and peaked in the early 1980's. Some rivers getting returns in the 100k mark. Then the herring and alwife populations dropped and since the salmon and steelhead populations have suffered. A good friend of mine owned Whitaker's fly shop on the Salmon river in New York. He said that in the 80's he could have 20-30 fish days during the boom. Now people are lucky to have 3 or 4 fish days on that river.
     
  7. Andrew Lawrence

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    While not entirely related to the subject at hand, this article is somewhat related to the introduction of salmonid species to the great lakes. I’m sure that some of you have read it. For those who have not, enjoy.

    Regards,

    Andrew


    http://www.greatlakesdirectory.org/Illinois/nov. 3008
     
  8. Dave Fulton

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    Limit is 3 p/day p/angler and you see lots of people take their limit, but I can't speak to the ratio of locals to non-locals. I don't eat them myself.

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    You are missing the point. PNW steelheasd do not spend their entire lives in puget sound. That is why the toxin levels in our fish are much lower. I would suggest you read further into the link I provided. The fish consumption health advisiories for all of the lake are linked there and all of the GL steelhead have an advisory on them. Also do some research on how mercury and PCB and the like get into the fish. Maybe you will understand. If not, best of luck to ya. Also, I did not "just" fish PA. I lived in pa. I have fished every freaking one of those lakes and you couldn't pay me to put one of those mercury sickles in my body. If you choose to, then fine, go ahead and have mentally disabled kids and die a slow death of Altzheimers or Parkinsons or any of the other degenerative neurological diseased associated. I won't loose any sleep over it.
     
  10. Copper Jon

    Copper Jon What a Jim!

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    Coach,
    I'm a little late getting in here but just to give a biologist's 2 cents: your steelhead vs. rainbow question, genetically they are the same species, Oncorhynchus mykiss, in the scientific community. Steelhead are simply the anadromous life history form of rainbow trout. The term anadromous refers to migrating from the sea to freshwater to spawn, so in my opinion mykiss introduced to the Great Lakes are simply very large lake-run rainbows, although that is under the assumption that none of them make it all the way out to the Atlantic. It really is a funny situation in the first place because the GLs are so huge, they're basically freshwater mini-oceans rather than lakes.

    Mykiss have the most diverse set of life histories of any Pacific salmonid species including varying degrees of anadromy, differences in reproductive biology, and plasticity of life history between generations. Generally, you'll see them adapt to any situation and access everywhere they can migrate to. Lock some anadromous steelhead up upstream of dams (ex. Elwha) and you have a thriving "resident" rainbow trout population that never sees salt. However, they still carry the "steelhead" genetics from before the dams. When those dams come out, I have no doubts they'll start exploring downstream for foraging opportunities and some will quickly go anadromous on their own.

    Mykiss do what's best for them given any situation - if there's a dam high in a system, you get residualized "steelhead" in the tailwater behind the dam over time. Eventually less of the anadromous population goes to the ocean. Why? Because the cold water coming out of the bottom of the dam provides great temps year round and produces tons of insects for food so why endure the migration cost of venturing all the way back to the ocean.

    The line between the common names steelhead and rainbow trout sometimes just gets blurry. Take a lake in AK for example that has a stream dumping into it and an outlet stream that runs into the ocean. The big populations of salmon coming in provide tons of food, the lake provides overwinter habitat with less big predators than the ocean, and there are mykiss present. Will this system be steelhead dominated or rainbow trout dominated? They'll all be big so what do we call these fish if we don't know where they've been? Beats me. I'd love to put a bunch of tags out in a system like this and see.
     
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    BTW turn on KCTS right now if you can.
     
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    I did and I tried to do it with an open mind, but it still comes out the same. Nevertheless, if I have misunderstood, then please accept my apologies.

    Regards,

    Dave Fulton
     
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    What's the show you're watching Be Jofus? Trying to find it online.
     
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    It was about the effects of some of these chemicals I was mentioning on amphibs. I didn't catch the name. Sadly, They switched topics part way through. Pretty interesting though. Some of the stuff floating around in this planets water is downright freaking scary.
     
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    Been fishing for studying and chasing steelhead for over 30 years so I knew this stuff. As a born and raised Washington native, I am blessed to have been raised among some very talented steelhead biologists and especially anglers. But sincerely thanks for the post! I think I am looking for much smaller nuances or behaviors scientists and anglers have studied and observed in the GL fish in particular.