A Dream Come True For Some!

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by wet line, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. Bob Jones

    Bob Jones Still truckless now farther away

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    Very good reply, We just need some one to run this thing the way we want it and protect our resorces for wild life, fish, animals of all kinds inclludiing people. Those who are only out to make a big profit or "killing" will end up "killing" us all off. There should never be any allowed pollution of land, water, or air that is all our right to have for our life. Sorry about the Cigars guys.
     
  2. Itchy Dog

    Itchy Dog Some call me Kirk Werner

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  3. LG Mix

    LG Mix New Member

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    The argument that conservative politics = good fishing & hunting and liberal politics = not so good fishing & hunting is seriously flawed. That’s like saying I’ve never caught a native steelhead because my two handed rod was made in China. Cause and effect or just defective logic?
     
  4. wet line

    wet line New Member

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    Mr. Mix,

    Here is a question for YOU! Of the western states which ones would you spend the time and money for a quality hunting or fishing trip?

    Would you pick California or Washington?

    Myself I would choose Alaska, Montana, Idaho, Utah and Wyoning in that order. Oregon is up there and British Columbia would be at the top of the list for alot of things. All of these are fairly conservative. Not politically conservative, ie, Republican, but conservative in their actions regarding wildlife. I did not bring up party affiliation, that was brought in by another. I brought in conservatism. That for your little bitty mind is a derivative of conservation!! The act of conserving. It has nothing to do with a political party proffesions which are generally a bunch of hot air that ignorant people belive.

    This state operates under the law of maximum sustainable harvest. does that sound very conservative to you?

    Dave
     
  5. NomDeTrout

    NomDeTrout Fly Guy Eat Pie

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    " The more liberal the state the poorer the fishing and hunting, California and Washington for example and the entire east coast. Yes the Dems really care about wildlife and the environment. Just look where they have run government for any significant period of time.

    Good fishing all. You elected these liberal Dems and now we get to pay for it!!"

    i don't know wet line...looks a bit like you called out party affiliation there.
     
  6. wet line

    wet line New Member

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    By the way I don't see any lists of all the great things the state has done in the last 20 years or so to improve our anandromous fish conditions.

    Lets see, the state has reduced funding for WDFW, reducing critical personal.
    Increased the allowable by catch on the lower Columbia.
    Has continued to support maximum sustainable harvest.
    Has met Federal mandates only because the Tribes threatend to take them to court. Replacing minimal culverts with larger culverts under roads to improve fish passage.
    The Gov. decided she needs her own personal advisor, kind of going around the board.

    So where is your list of all the good things that Olympia has done? I will give you one, they finally got rid of Curt Smitch!


    Come on you all took your shots so lets see what you have to say to back up your statements that basically implied all is well, warm and fuzzy with the administration for the last 20 plus years.
    It has to be long and deep. After all these are, and this is political, they are Democrats who care to their non-existent souls about conservation or our resources. Their actions are so plain and evident.

    Dave
     
  7. gearhead

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    i bet the rules makers are Swingers
     
  8. Salmo_g

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    Wet Line,

    The status of WA's fish and wildlife has little to do with political party affiliation and not that much to do with conservative or liberal politics. The over-riding reason for the status of our fish and wildlife resources is WA state population growth. This state last had fairly consistently harvestable numbers of wild salmon and steelhead with the human population was around 2.6 million. At the present 6.5 or so million, and growing rapidly, most wild stocks of salmon and steelhead don't stand a chance.

    WA state generally has a solid majority when it comes to environmental protection, including fish and wildlife. The Democrats aren't really that great at it, but they at least are generally willing to pass laws for environmental protection. The Republicans, following the party line of less government and lower taxes, oppose such legislation, almost to the man, or woman, as the case may be. I think that if Republicans supported environmental protection with more than vague lip service, more of them would be elected. But they don't. So they aren't. Except in eastern WA, where opposition to government regulation over-rides any concerns for the environment, generally speaking.

    The little time I've spent in the halls of the Legislature make it very clear that the political value of fish and wildlife hovers just above zero. Daily, they have bigger fish to fry, pun intended.

    Sg
     
  9. Richard Torres

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    Here here! iagree
    If you don't like it, then go tie some flies!
     
  10. DimeBrite

    DimeBrite MA-9 Beach Stalker

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    It's very true that other states do a better job at managing fish and wildlife than Washington. During my time in Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado I saw far better management of fish stocks and waaaaay better enforcement. A big part of that is due to the $$ from fishing and hunting licences going directly into fish and wildlife programs and enforcement (not the general fund of that state's budget). However, it is easier to protect trout in their limited river and lake habitat versus anadramous steelhead and salmon, which travel thousands of miles into international waters and have a much more challenging life cycle. Things in Washington will never improve until the state's fish and game resources are seen as a much greater economic opportunity for the "sporting" aspect than it is for the commercial harvest aspect. Other states have been far quicker to recognize the $$ to be made by a well managed resource, but Washington still doesn't get it. I honestly think that signing up with organizations like CCA will help tip the balance of political power in Washington toward managing for conservation and push back against entrenched commericial fishing interests and their crony state politicians (many of whom are indeed Democrats, blue dog or otherwise).
     
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    I don't see WA changing very much very soon. Sport fishermen, if they perfer activism over apathy, which most don't, then prefer to beat each other up, while the united commercial fisherment keep the WA state legislative mandate for commercial harvest intact. A proven formula for commercial interests to keep on winning.

    Sg
     
  12. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    I worked for Kitsap County for 30 years before retiring. I worked for the Zoning/Community Development Division for around 9 years, and the rest in Parks and Recreation. I NEVER once ever saw a fly fishing club, or any fishing club EVER attend a public meeting on some housing development or other commercial proposal to protest or raise concern over a nearby creek or stream for protection of salmon, steelhead or cutthroat. NEVER once! This is only one scenario of why our fishing gets worse. (I mean, after all, who cares about a little fish called a cutthroat in a stream that is 3 feet wide......). If County Commissioners and Planning Commissioners "heard" from fisherman once in a while, maybe things would improve relative to land development issues and another small piece of habitat might be protected.... All the pieces add up. But fly fishing clubs don't generally go to public hearings and protest something or give input to Environmental Checklist and Assessment Reviews. And that's all I have to say about that.
     
  13. oldskool

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    Evan Burck 2012
     
  14. RainbowBass

    RainbowBass Pumpkinseed sushi

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    Effin politics. NOthing to do with fish. Nothing at all.

    Declining steelhead populations come from -
    Hatchery plants
    Dams
    Tribal netting
    Commercial Netting
    High demand for non-farmed fish (AKA the Whole Foods crowd)
    WDFW's no escapement policies
    Nasty spring runoff (climate change/clear-cutting? who the f&^k knows?)
    Evil leprechauns

    WDFW may not help the problem - but with their limited budget and influence, there is really nothing they can do.
    Make the f$%king tribes choose between casinos or salmon. Tell the BPA to start burning coal. Go restore a riparian zone.

    It's not gonna change until the steelhead have dwindled to 2-3 returns per year. Politicians never make anything better. Never.
     
  15. Keith Hixson

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    I'll wait and see. Probably the same type of administration as before with less imput from the public. I don't expect much change. But, we'll wait and see.