A Petition To Overturn Steelhead Harvest Moratorium

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Bob Triggs, Mar 1, 2004.

  1. Nailknot

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    Agreed CofO. While econmics will play a part, we should keep this focused on the fish. The science is what made this decision happen, and science should be used to defend it. In the recent Forum article posted above it's easy to see that this is a cultural issue for many people on the Pen. This perception of outsiders telling them what to do. It's already been painted as Seattle/suburban fly fishers behind this, no changing that perspective at this point. Continuing to be overly aggro will only reinforce the idea that Forks got railroaded. The law is a done deal.


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  2. Steelheadjunky

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    If you read the article up on ForksForum.com they obvisiously don't want my kind out in Forks. I had planned an extra trip out there in April to show them that the fisherman will come and it looked like I was going to drag a buddy or two with me. But they obviously don't want my kind out there.

    They talk about facts.
    1) The Hoh is in a downward trend. Missed escapement last year (would have made it without any harvest). Te Hoh is being managed to miss escapement this year.
    2) The Quillayute system is the only one with an upward escapement trend and it has had 5 straight years of declining runs. Will it be six?
    3) The Queets is being managed below escapement for the last 10 years. I believe it has missed escapement 6 of the last 9 years but that is the one fact I have to look up.
    4)There has been no reduction of harvest since the limit was dropped to 5 fish a year.

    These are facts with science to back them up. Of their 16 points maybe 5 have science or facts to back them up.

    I have seen the facts. Forks this could be a huge win for you and there are a lot of this that will support you but if you don't want us Marblemount might. I want to support you and show you this is a good thing.

    JJ
     
  3. CofO

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    JJ

    Now is not the time to get peed of at Forks. We have to show them that good things will come. If the time comes to boycott Forks then so be it it will be their loss but now and hopefully for many years to come all sport fishermen and women will be friends of Forks.
     
  4. Les Johnson

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    I believe that Mayor Reed -- and probably an entourage from Forks -- is meeting with Commissioner Van Gytenbeek this week in Olympia. A lot of facts will be presented at this meeting.
    I wrote Mayor Reed and found her to be engaging and honestly concerned about the welfare of Forks. She is responsible for maintaing the economy of the town. She and her townspeople have seen their two primary resources decline dramatically over the past several years. Until bureaucrats legalize logging in the National Park (and don't think they won't try it as another monumentally ill-conceived Band-Aid); or, our enormous salmon boondoggle is reformed sometime before the midpoint of this century; the economic structure of Forks, that has grown and fallen on these two major natural resources, will have to be radically redefined.
    As for the the treaty tribes; they received a Federal mandate in 1974 by Judge Boldt to fish for steelhead. The Boldt Decision has weathered two trips to the Supreme Court. Don't count on it being overturned. So you might as well quit trying to hang this whole mess on the tribes.
    A lot of anglers, conventional gear and fly fishers, have given up on the Olumpic Peninsula. I doubt that it will be a watershed exodus though. A lot of Washington anglers gave up fishing before the steelhead moratorium ever made it into the regulations. The most recent statistics I've seen show that fishing and hunting license sales in Washington have dropped something like 6.1% over the past couple of years across the state, steelhead fishing notwithstanding.
    There is no quick fix here. So, be patient and use the next two years to get involved. Send letters showing your concern for Forks in particular and the Olympic Peninsula in general. It remains a treasure, even in its present degraded condition. To make the steelhead fishing better I'm afraid that we will have to address a whole lot of peripheral issues presently harming our great outdoors and its resources.

    Good Fishing,
    Les Johnson
     
  5. Steelheadjunky

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    CofO,

    I have heard of strange things going on out there. Bagpipes in the forest. Cases and Cases of wine and one camp where no one sleeps. Sounds like my kind of place I hope they can see the light.

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    Les,

    You are right we need to be supportive and show them that we will still come. I just have a hard time supporting a place that will fight this rather then thinking outside the box and embrace it but I guess I will have to bight the bullet and support them.

    There is no magic bullet just baby steps in a big picture.
     
  7. steeliegreg

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    Hey Bob, I have seen the petitions at nearly every gas station and mini-mart from Port Angeles to Forks. I also just voted and was 70.5% supporting C&R. Thank god.
    I can tell you all, that I will not give one more penny to any of the business allowing the petitions in their store.
    I believe the group passing around the petitions is the "Sportsman of Washington State" Very officious name.
    And about the Native Americans, I am not one, but have done much business with many of the OP tribes. Each tribe has it's own way of netting the rivers and not all have a "gauntlet" to run. The Makah for example net in a way that allows fish to swim around the nets, and do not stack them in such a way to trap them all. In fact I would guess that most of the fish make it all the way to the hatchery. Point: most of the natives I have spoken with are just as concerned as we are about the resource. They have seen it dwindle to todays numbers, and mostly caused by habitat degradation(by us whiteys) and overfishing(by us whiteys). They are often depicted as the REAL bad guys(and they sometimes are), but I believe that most of the responsibility is ours(yet again, the whiteys).
     
  8. Mike Colagrossi

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    You must have heard about our camping trip to Oxbow over the weekend ;-)

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    My remarks have never been intented to be rude. But I did want them to show a certain amount of disgust with those folks of Forks, including the mayor, who have decided upon such an ignorant path to follow.

    I can easily see the reverse of all of this: The town paper cries out that the Bellevue boys are demanding increased killing of the last few fish and this will lead to extinction and where will the town be then? That
    Forks will take whatever measures that may be necessary to guard these last, few, precious, wild fish from oblivion is written in stone. Kill a fish over our dead bodies!
    But no. What we have is the reverse. A sorry attempt to drive the last nail in the coffin of the steelhead. And when that coffin is laid to rest, where will the mayor and her town go?
    God forbid that I should use strong language in a world of insanity. But hey! I own those fish as well, and I'm not going to mealy-mouth my way around about it.
    Bob, the Don't ride on buses myself.:beathead