Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by stewart dee, May 13, 2011.
THE GOLEN RULE!! Very good Leland. I do the same.
The optimum word was posted by sothereiwas. "Respect". There it is. That's what I've been saying all along. We respect the rights of others by knocking on doors and asking. We respect by not trashing a beach or climbing a bulkhead. We show our respect by being friendly like Leland says and by keeping the whooping, hollaring, and unwanted noise down. We show respect by understanding that until the court system changes what we have then we are stuck with the way things are. But... you are all welcome to fish our beach as long as you respect it for what it is; a beautiful place to live and play and one my children and grandchildren will play on with having to clean it up first.
That's how it's always been, even in rivers (where there are rights to the riverbottom and I'm not just talking here in WA state). Would be no different then flying overhead. You can fly over private property, but if you do a touch and go on that property you've trespassed.
And BTW, I'm all about the "ask first" and "respect" aspect. I have an open door policy to most of the waterfront houses on my route (on the Purdy Spit out to Camp Seymour). I have politely asked, and if they said "no" I'd say "Thank you anyways" and always greeted them with a smile (because some of those "no"s have turned into "yes"s). Just be nice and try to be courteous to the homeowners. Especially since they do pay the taxes on that parcel you're tromping on. If they are deeded to a certain spot, then they are PAYING for that spot.
Tidelands are confusing because, as mentioned above, WA deeded a lot of tidelands to private landowners. And as a fisherman, you don't know which tidelands are private property and which are not. You can't go just by private property postings because some landowners who do not own the tidelands adjacent to their upland property post them anyway. It's nearly impossible to know which tidelands are private without inspecting the property deed. Most owners would probably rather call the sheriff's dept. rather than look it up. And most deputies and sheriffs don't seem to be very well informed about the ownership subject either. Very complex topic with much that hasn't been legally resolved. And not something I'd want to trust to the competency of our state legislators either.
I think you should buy yourself a Pflueger purist. With the money you save not buying a Nautilus or Hatch. Get a canoe--moot point.
I'm sorry if the intent of my post wasn't clear. I mistakenly thought that my use of quotes around the word joke would make it clear that I was simply pointing out what I believed the original user of the word in this thread meant in using that term. My post in no way is meant to indicate that what I stated is in any way in conflict with the law as it stands. I do however believe that WA violated federal law (and the requirements for them to gain statehood) when they privatized some of the tidelands. However. that is a moot point since that issue and the public trust doctrine issue - granting the public the right to freely traverse lands below the high water mark of navigable waterways - will only be settled by act of the WA legislature or the US Supreme court. As a practical matter neither of those will occur - no one with deep enough pockets to take it to the supreme court is going to step forward and, even though the federal law is pretty clear on this point, winning in the supreme court is not a slam dunk. Also WA doesn't have enough money to reimburse the landowners what they paid to have what their deeds state (+ back taxes & interest), so the WA legislature won't touch it.
So funny you say that. My mother and father in-laws own these ocean style kayak, so I pile in a couple beers, rod and myself. At about 6 or 7 feet deep that sucker rolled over and I went swimming. Funny, but my just opened Dogfish Ale went for a swim and that was the bummer.
If they return to The Public Trust Doctrine as a basis for shoreline access here on Puget Sound they will not be liable for previous taxes or sales etc. It would simply end the titles and deeds and the taxes would be discontinued. That is what happened in New England on the shoreline that I grew up on, which had barbed wire fences and stone walls and signs all along every inch of it for hundreds of miles back when. Today it is public access from highwater or headlands seaward.
i would have paid to watch that show!!
I can't imagine this ever happening around here, but who knows. Can you imagine the County Assessor's reevaluating property without residence's owning the tidelands? What a nightmare. Can you imagine people bitching how high their taxes still are and they don't even own those tidelands? Now if the State and County could somehow guarantee to lower their taxes by one-third, then maybe it would be worth it to a taxpayer. No County Assessor would want to lose tax revenue now would they? The only way it could ever happen would be that the homeowner give his tidelands to the local parks department or the State DNR. Of course, giving it to DNR would be crazy too, they would "lease" the tidelands for some damn commercial oyster picker.
One third less wouldn't do it. Without the tidelands, property values would fall drastically. Owning the tidelands is very attractive to a potential buyer or owner.
You're correct but, the taxes would go down because the "lot" size would change. Tax valuations are "very loosley" tied to the actual property value, to say the least. Property value is dropping through the floor everywhere. How much have your taxes gone down? Actually, not owning the tidelands would financially be a good thing for anyone who didn't care about being the only one who could harvest shellfish.
How much does a couple buckets of clams cost? Probably a shitload less than the taxes you pay for tideland.
The county I live in does not
take into account if you own the
tidelands or not. My newest
asessment is based on linear waterfront
foot. It went from $3000 a foot to $4000
a foot from 2010 to 2011. WIth a 105 feet of
waterfront I would be happy to sell my place
to the county at what they consider market value.
Thats why everyone I know up and down the beach
has contested it. The county is so backed up we still
haven't had a hearing after 1 year (kangaroo court is what people
that have been through it are calling this BS).
WIth the realestate market tanking how can taxes go up
when true value (what I could sell for ) is down