Akroyd attempt

#1
This is my first attempt at an Akroyd. Any suggestions on how to improve my tying? The turkey wing didn't sit down as far as I would have liked and I think I could have tied the materials in closer to the bend by a few millimiters. Anything else?

Appreciate the input.

-Ryan

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#3
Akroyd looks good although for some reason I can't get the photo to show up larger so it is a bit hard for me to see.
Davie McPhail has a white winged Akroyd on his you tube site. Perhaps you have seen it.
JackD

Ryan, I'm new at this site so I had trouble loading photo but was finally able to do so.
Here is a link to Davie McPhails White Winged Akroyd which he ties so nicely. Maybe can be of help to you.
FT's comments are spot on.
JackDhttp:

//www.youtube.com/user/DavieMcPhail#p/search/0/u-egZaFxA20
 

FT

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#4
Ryan,

It is tough to tell how you did and offer suggestions due to the size of you photo being on the small side. A larger photo would allow for a better analysis and better suggestions for improvement. Also, a top-of-fly photo (or a photo that shows the top of the fly as well as the sides) is needed to see if you have set the wings properly. Dee wings need to have the butts of the wings at the tie-in tightly butted up against each other without overlapping of any sort. If they overlap, they will split when fished. That is why a photo showing the top of the wing would be useful.

You are correct that the flat silver tinsel tag needs to be back further. The easy way to do this and get the proper position on a dee fly is the have the tag start at the root of the barb (the is the place where the barb starts to move up from the hook point).

The ostrich butt ought to be right at the hook point on a dee fly, not in front of it.

The GP crest (also know as a topping) tail is too long and goes too high. Dee tails are best when they are just a little beyond the hook bend long and more horizontal than vertical. You can make a crest feather more horizontal very easily by using your thumbnail to "nick" the botton of the feather's rachis (stem). You will have to make serveral of these "nicks" along the feather starting where it starts to curve upwards to get it to be the proper height above the shank. Just go slow and check your progress as you make the "nicks". Oh yeah, do the "nicks" before you tie it in.

The tippet tail topping (also sometimes called a tail veiling) is a bit short. It should be about 1/2 the length of the crest feather; otherwise, it doesn't look ballanced.

You already mentioned the wing being too high. The wing is also a bit too long. Dee wings ought to be only a tiny bit longer than the tail or as long as the tail. The wing slips also look like each side is a tad bit too wide. One of the things to do to help the wing lie lower on a dee fly is to use tweezers to pull the top-of-the-hook fibers off the spey hackle and duck flank throat (also sometimes called a face hackle).

The spey hackle is a little too short in fiber length. The spey hackle on a dee fly looks best (and fishes best) if it is at least as long as the hook bend, and is at its best when it is 1/2 shank length longer than the hook bend. But anywhere between the hook bend and 1/2 shank longer than to the hook bend is fine.

The body, jungle cock sides (you did an excellent job of having them form a straight line from tie-in to hook point, just like a dee fly's jungle cock ought to be tied), body hackle, butt length, and ribbing tinsel are very good. Head size is excellent.

You have obvious skills at the vise, a little work on these finer details and your dees will improve rapidly.
 
#8
Thanks FT for the detailed comments. It is hard to look at a picture or recipe and really tie it the way it is supposed to be tied until you know how things are supposed to line up. Thanks for taking the time.

When I click on the thumbnail it enlarges.
 
#9
View attachment 45307 Here is the second attempt. The Spey hackles on tip are not quite long enough or consistent in length. Also the head on this fly is not as good as the previous. I also prefer the more orange dubbing used on the first. Suggestion to improve on attempt #3?
 
#11
View attachment 45326 Second attempt is much better, tag is in the correct place as is the butt. Wings are still to high but better, you want them to lay almost flat.
Akroyd's are a Dee wing fly and always look better, and fish better on a long shank hook. Here's one I tied years ago, it might help you to see the proportions and spacing. You're on the right track, keep tying and it will all come together, and then, if you're wealthy you can start working on full dress salmon flies. Good luck
 
#12
Keep it up, Ryan. You've gotten some good advice from FT and Mark. Your flies will fish and they will get better with practice. I've found out that with better grade materials, Dee wings are easier to mount.

This was one of my first attempts at Dees...kinda all over the place. It didn't swing well and wings didn't hold up:


Here's a Skagit Mist Variant (along the same lines as Mark's) I tied and fished last winter and it's held up well to casting and landing a fish on it:


Just to show that with a little practice and resolve, these classic flies are attainable ties for a fishing tyer, like me.

Cheers,
Adrian
 
#13
WOW!....you guys are in a class by yourselves. They are all works of art in my book! Nice job, that's the kind of stuff I want in my fly box. You inspire me to try harder.....
 
#15
Akroyd looks good although for some reason I can't get the photo to show up larger so it is a bit hard for me to see.
Davie McPhail has a white winged Akroyd on his you tube site. Perhaps you have seen it.
JackD

Ryan, I'm new at this site so I had trouble loading photo but was finally able to do so.
Here is a link to Davie McPhails White Winged Akroyd which he ties so nicely. Maybe can be of help to you.
FT's comments are spot on.
JackDhttp:

//www.youtube.com/user/DavieMcPhail#p/search/0/u-egZaFxA20
Thanks for posting the link! I have seen his fly-tying videos on youtube before. It certainly helps to see someone do it. Although I have to say I am not as big of a fan of the wing he uses in the video instead a turkey or goose. I am going to try to whip up a few Skagit Mists with a white goose wing made from shoulder feathers. We will see how it goes.