Alright you spey bums...fill me in here???

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by pwoens, Aug 8, 2003.

  1. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    Old man, yeah, it's his style of fishing. Since he's casting down and across, he's already lost a good part of the drift. What most mean by "having fly in water longer" is that you can mend much easier, and have more rod to help do this, paying out line easier. I assume that's what is meant. I know I could get more line in the water quicker, and work it longer with a spey then I could my one handers.

    Now, onto rods. I no longer have speys, in fact, only have one one hander left. Not by choice, but thanks to this injury I had have sold off most of my rods. But I had a 9140 Sage for my winterrun fishing. This was a cannon that I mostly used for tip fishing. Rarely ever a floating line. (9wt 14' for those who aren't up on Sage rods). Had an older Cabela's 7wt 13' I used for summerruns. Never had a problem with it, and only used for dry line fishing. I know the more I used the speys, the less I used one handers. BUT, I ONLY fish salmon/steelhead. I don't fish trout. I do agree with Kerry (I think it was him) that said it's a different style of fishing. Those who are used to a one hander will have to change their casting style. I know I almost tossed out my first spey rod. Couldn't get it to cast more then 20'. Arm was getting tired of casting (I was really tossing that baby hard, so a 14' rod will wear you out fast casting this way) so I switched to my "weak" arm. Fealt ackward, and REALLY slowed down my cast. Guess what? Tossed out a 70' cast first time out. Had to relearn that I had to slow down and let the rod do ALL the work. I'm not the most proficient, and am FAR from the best, but I can do a spey cast. Once I'm back on my feet, have a few rods back, will actually for once get lessons on spey casting.
     
  2. circlespey

    circlespey Active Member

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    The last big "clave" around here was the Kaufmann's one in March near High Bridge, I think. I don't think we want to replicate that, but I think that a smallish gathering of WFF spey casters and interested parties would be a fun time. I would be happy to donate a day of and a few spey rods to the cause, if there are others who want to join in. How about next weekend on the Sky? I will be on bachelor patrol for the last time for a while (weddings tend to complicate fishing availability).

    Sinktip, what do you think? Anyone else game?

    Circlespey
     
  3. Bart

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    Any gathering of this group, for whatever reason, is going to be fun.

    The first one I attended was last year at the Ben Howard Launch on the Sky for Spey casting. It's an art form with applications to one-handers.

    I'll bring the donuts, someone bring the coffee and one of you that knows what you're doing call the time and place - I'm in.

    Bart
     
  4. sinktip

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    I just dropped 8 trees on my place today and am leaving on a trip on Monday. If I can get back and get all the wood bucked up, I might be up for a couple hours casting next weekend.
     
  5. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    Well if it's next weekend and not this one I'm game. And I'll even help you with EATING the donuts. If you see a old fat man out there wandering about it's probably me.

    Jim
     
  6. speyneznbhm

    speyneznbhm been around

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    are you checking the water temps an dfish counts b4 you leave as hot as thios year has been this year could be late? been there like 10 years in a row alwys seems to be a different week or ven month is best even been snowed on and still caught fish as to the spey thing for me its 2 hands for big water or streams with no room to backcast if I lived on the east side I'd want 1 doublehander for the large Idaho rivers, snake salmon and clearwater for the clearwater manly so you don't have to wade too much seems to me the bottom of that river is made up of bowling balls covered in snot
    john
     
  7. Nooksack Mac

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    Pwoens, spey rods, by their nature, require heavier lines than typical single-hand rods. They too come in a variety of rated line sizes, but it starts and runs higher than one-handers. The lightest lined spey I know of is the new Sage 5-weight, and that's as specialized as a 1-weight one-handed midge rod. You typically see spey rods of 6-9-weight used for "summer" conditions, and 10-12 used for big river, monster fish, "winter" fishing.

    If the gathering being discussed here comes together, you should try to attend. You'll learn more in a few hours than you could here, by far. A beginning spey caster needs instruction as much as a novice skier or golfer.
     
  8. SPEYBUM

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    Did some one say Speyclave?????????????
    If I can help just let me know.
    I will get a few of the rods off the Tryrack just let me know where and when.

    speybum
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  9. Matt Burke

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    I would love to be a part of another Spey Gizmo. We should set it up more like a rodeo, with events. Me and Oldman Jim could face off with a couple of timers behind us and settle this, "whose fly is in the water the longest" crap once and for all. And it would include the time it takes Jim to tie on new flies when his backcasts go below 9 O'clock (remember Jim, I love ya like brother). We could do competitions of distance, style, number of casts in ones arsenal etc. Or we could just have fun.

    I will bring the Sage 12' #5(5120) and 15' #10(10150 older model but a real cannon), Loop Yellow Line 14' #9(9140-4A) and 12' #8(8124), Dec Hogan's Flylogic 13' #7(1307) and a St. Croix 14' #10 in case any y'all are thinking of going the cheap route.(If I were to add one rod it would be the Scott ARC 9 wt.)

    For line I will bring midspey, windcutter, airflo, and shooting head sytems from airflo and rio. I would love to take the time to let everyone try my stuff if it will help them from making purchases they would regret later.

    So what do you say fella's, when we gonna do this rodeo at Ben Howard?

    Matt

    "Everyday that you wake up and decide not to go fishing...is one less day you'll go fishing." Forrest Maxwell
     
  10. circlespey

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    I'd vote for Sunday next week given a choice. Late morning, so that the energetic types can fish early, and the devout among us can darken the door of a chapel before coming over? 10:30? I could also make it Saturday if people prefer that.

    On the Sky, Ben Howard is a fine choice because of location and sheer size although most newbies will find the going better on the other side of the river, assuming most of you are right handed. Usually I try to get beginner RH casters on river right. But, if the wind is up it won't really matter.

    Pwoens (sp), you started this whole thing. Do you have a preference for days? Can you make it next weekend?

    Speybum, I was going to email someone over there to see if you wanted to participate so I am glad you saw this. I would love to cast one of your Loop rods.

    Circlespey
     
  11. SPEYBUM

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    Sunday would be out for me on such short notice.
    Saturday is a different story I just close up shop and go.
    If the weather is nice expect lot of tubers.
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  12. circlespey

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    Well, then let's plan for next Saturday instead because you would definitely be able to help some of these folks.

    Circlespey
     
  13. SpeyRodBeBop

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    Are foreigners from north of the forty-nine welcome? I'd sure like to attend and learn something about the Sky and spey at the same time.
    Al.


    For when sleeping I dream of big fish and strong fights.Tacitus
     
  14. pwoens

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    Let me gain clarification on dates here??

    This sounds like an awesome idea!!!!

    I need clarification on dates cause my mind is meager and I im not sure im following which weekend is being referrenced. If it is the weekend of the 16th and 17th of August, I will not be able to attend. I am being graced by the presence of the almighty and all knowing, Sparse Grey Hackle, once again. I have to hold his hand and take him into some pristine Idaho waters. ;) (in which, any else interested is welcome to join us as the waters are long and full of big fish).

    ~Patrick ><>
     
  15. SPEYBUM

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    Let me gain clarification on dates here??

    It looks like Saturday August 16, 2003 Ben Howard starting around 10:00 AM
    I have been working on getting things organize and will try to get some Instructors to help those who would like it.
    May get a Dry-Fly Steelhead presentation and a casting demo or two.

    Pwoens I know you started this and will not be able to make it but there will be another on Sept. 20th time and place to be announced.

    Ps Everyone is welcome the more the merrier.
    speybum
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