So ahm sittin in me shed tyin some bells and whistles renegades and as usual ahm catchin the p-cock herl on the hook point. (That seems to be a talent of mine.) Without thinkin I turn the vise a 1/4 turn so the hook point is on my side an, lord thy wonders never cease, the problem went away. No more hooked thred or herl. It all became so easy. Materials fit right in the bend of the hook like they're 'sposed to. So has everbody known this and been laffin at me fer years, waitin fer me ta figure that out? Really! You could uv told me some 5 or 6,000 flies back and saved me a lot uv grief.