And we will all go down together....

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Eric Tarcha, Feb 12, 2010.

  1. megajumbos

    megajumbos Brett@Creekside

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    Hey you can still fish the Wallace... And I believe starting next year a Feb. 15th closure will be written into the regs for most of the Puget Sound streams.
     
  2. Derek Young

    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    Sucks for the guides and clients who had trips booked during that new closed period and had the river pulled out from under them.
     
  3. Dave Henry

    Dave Henry Member

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    Sad. Just Sad. I've fished the Nook every February for a while now to avoid the gong show on the rivers here. It's only a half hour drive longer than the Vedder for me with 5% of the pressure. It's been sad to watch the decline of the steelhead fishery there and I've stayed out of the threads due to being out of country. I love the river and wish I could be part of turning it around. We've lost many Lower Mainland rivers to closures (for good reason) and it looks like the same thing is happening in Northern Washington as well. Hopefully you guys can find a voice to change things. Learn from our mistake (complacency), you have a larger number of anglers that can get involved.
     
  4. Jon Viebrock

    Jon Viebrock Livin down by the river, eating gov'ment cheese...

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    Maybe if there was a REAL solution to this problem, we'd all be able to fish. I told Gov Gregiore during the last campaign cycle (to her face) that the "4 H's" approach was a losing proposition and would only enforce the status quo. She looked at me like I was a doper from Mars. The problem that we face is because all the solutions that get enacted are POLITICAL solutions, not REAL solutions. We are getting the government that we vote for.............
     
  5. Smalma

    Smalma Active Member

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    Dave Henry -
    Glad you chimed in. Based on what you saw happen to your rivers north what advice do you have for us so that we learn from your mistakes.

    Did your populations collapse due to tribal netting?

    Hatchery programs?

    Bonking of wild fish?

    Appreciate the outsie view.

    Tight lines
    Curt
     
  6. hookedonthefly

    hookedonthefly Active Member

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    A bunch of smoke and mirrors. I'll bet money that the so-called May Sockeye fishery is alive and well on the Skagit though.

    Skagit gillnet pic from Feb1.

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  7. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    I have some ideas as to what WDFW could do. They could start by commenting on other user groups proposals. WDFW is very good at regulating anglers. It's easy, inneffective and politically acceptable. There is quite a bit of science showing that the closure will have no positive effect, but when it comes to angling the way it's viewed is ,"It can't be helping."
    Hatcheries are the sacred cow for the most failed generation (50+) and the WDFW. If WDFW were to use the "It can't be helping" logic then the steelhead hatcheries would be shut down too. The fish are struggling to get out of the near shore. I can't fathom how hatchery smolts are helping with near shore survival.
    How about commenting on SEPA's associated with land use proposals. In the last few years there has been a rather signifigant gravel mine opened along the Samish. I'm sure that WDFW could have at least commented on it. I don't suspect the Skagit County critical areas ordinance would address all the potential impacts, given the associated paved road along side the river.
    Does WDFW comment on DNR timber sales?
    In the end, the only action WDFW is taking is to restrict the opertunity for C&R anglers. That's all they do. It's all that will be done. Unfortunately for the fish we C&R anglers are the fish's best and most ardent advocates. I could actually argue their only advocates. Why then are we the ones who are restricted but for all other groups it's status quo?
    When these fish were listed at the behest of WSC, it should have given the WDFW the ability to advocate for the fish, instead it has only forced them to close C&R angling.
    One other point; When they close the systems with 6 days warning, although the situation has been known for 6 months, it's hard to not believe that C&R anglers are being attacked by the agency. I always try to empathise with WDFW's positions, they need to do the same with anglers.

    Go Red Sox,
    cds
     
  8. Dave Henry

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    Netting, Tribal and Commercial. Gravel Pits. Lack of education for new anglers (ignorance of that education by older anglers). Poaching due to angling closures. Poor management in general. Fighting between motivated Angler groups. But most of all, angler complacency and lack of interest.
     
  9. golfman65

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    I kept trying to think....Who is this guy? Kodiak, Meisers, How the hell don't I know him?,,,,,Took me a bit dave but after reading your blog...an "oh yeah" moment...Great guy who has a better story about his wifes catch on their honeymoon I believe? Good seeing you here Dave!!!

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  10. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    Now everyone can come out here to the Olympic Peninsula coastal rivers and thrash away at the last wild winter steelhead runs and crush them on behalf of wdfw.:rofl:
     
  11. NomDeTrout

    NomDeTrout Fly Guy Eat Pie

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    yep...makes me wonder how many big wild winter steelhead are gonna end up on someone's dinner platter too.
     
  12. Matthew Gulbranson

    Matthew Gulbranson Resident Swinger

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    Yep! That is so frickin' ridiculous!!! Not one good point in that wdfw rule.