Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by alpinetrout, Aug 19, 2006.
Yep, I and my .45 would be the only ones walking away from that encounter.
I think keeping what you'll eat when it's legal to do so is fine as long as the fishery can support it. I don't think WDFW does a very good job creating, defining or enforcing state regs though. I think this state is pretty liberal in what they allow people to keep. And, I could be wrong, but wasn't this year the shortest sockey seasson on LW in decades? I don't think there was a surplus of fish available, I think this year was more about tradition and not pissing off tens of thousands of people who wanted to eat fish they have always been able to catch plenty of in the past. If I'm right about this years season being short due to record low numbers of fish, then do the math. Fishery's just cant produce the numbers of fish to sustain the species with the current population growth for people to be keeping all or even most of the fish they catch.
BUT again, you are getting us sidetracked. LW's sockey run or catch and release preferences is not the issue...FOCUS! lol
I guess I should have used a more clear cut example of fisherman being dirt bags!!! Ahhh forums...
i can't believe guys grouse hunting.......carrying shotguns would be such wusses to get pushed around like that. shotguns vs. rocks?! something don't ad up!
see what happens when bend over and give up your right to bear arms (real guns)....... such as in Canada and GBR!
terrorist are terrorist, islamic or PETA, if you're violent, you deserve what you get back!
btw...any of you check out the new .48 Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan?
sweetness. makes me want to upgrade from bear mace!
If you plant potatoes you will get potatoes! think about it!
Sorry, just one more sidetrack to address your comments, BigBill. The sockeye "pre-season" projections suggested no season for sporties, but they counted an abundance of fish coming through the locks and opened it up for 3 or 4 days, as I remember. When catch rates were not as high as allowed, they opened it up again...and then again. Today was the last day.
It's too bad the police didn't have to use lethal force on a few of those anti-fishing activists.
The bold statements you made prompt my rebuttle.
This was actually one of the longest seasons in decades. The current escapement goal is 350,000, this year thru 8/13 450,000 fish have been counted. The Lake Washington fishery was planted in the 30's, and is Baker River stock, ie not native fish, put in to be caught.
The only effective way to catch them for most people is with gear. You may find people fishing with gear on Lake WA a poor example of what fishing should be, but I am left scratching my head after seeing what goes on at Lake Lenore ( I just can't see Roderick Haig Brown out there with a bobber and choronimid), RFC, and the lower fly water on the Kalama during coho season.
Sockeye returns since they have been counting.
And no I don't fish Lake WA, the last Sockeye I bonked was caught on a fly on the Kenai.
One more thing,
I was wondering what Last Chance for Animals, LCA had to say about fishing, quotes from the link BigBill provided:
Catch and Release
Hooking a fish is a cruel and unnecessary activity. Fish begin to suffocate as soon as they are removed from their environment. Their blood coagulates, their gills often bleed and collapse, and their swim bladder may also rupture due to the pressure change. Fish may die from the stress of being caught, or they may be so weakened by the experience that they easily fall prey to predators. More specifically, the fish’s struggle to survive may cause a buildup of lactic acid in their muscles, causing stiffness and soreness and thus hampering the animal’s ability to survive. This damage may also include oxygen depletion, the loss of their protective outer coating, and damage to their delicate fins and mouth. Many fish caught in catch-and-release fishing tournaments die later as a result of their injuries, especially in hot weather when water oxygen levels are low
“Sport fishing” is also harmful to the environment. Vegetation is often cut down or trampled to make the waterside more accessible to anglers. Moreover, the presence of anglers disturbs wildlife, especially during breeding periods. Birds and mammals, for instance, are typically frightened by the noise and movement associated with fishing.
Ask local officials to ban fishing at a pond or lake in your area.
You Can Help
• Ask local officials to ban fishing at a pond or lake in your area.
• Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper explaining what’s wrong with fishing.
• Demand that your government stop subsidizing fishing operations with your tax dollars.
• Ask the United States government to ban fishing in national parks.
Write to Secretary Gale A. Norton, Department of the Interior, 1849 C St. N.W., Washington, DC 20240.
• Distribute information on the cruelty of fishing outside of bait-and-tackle stores or in popular fishing spots.
• Protest fishing tournaments and other fishing events.
• Educate your family and friends about the cruel reality of fishing.
I am sure they are great people, and do some great work, but they don't like what we do!
That is an awesome link Andrew posted. With the exception of the one HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE sentence that states, " Hooking a fish is a cruel and unnecessary activity," The information LCA provides is pretty consistant with what I believe. Commercial fishing is friggin horrible!
Did you guys read the entire page? There is some great info there! Sure, they are a little more liberal/radical in their beliefs than I choose to be, but I still feel the information they provide is mostly correct.
You guys don't have to agree with me. I just thought I'd put the, "dont bash all animal rights folks based on the actions of a few" reminder out there early when this thread started.
I agreee with you Bill, Even though the organization you posted doesn't agree with everything we do, it doesn't mean it's a bad organization, You have to take what you can get, I feel if there doing work to help abolish animal cruelty such as pharmacutical companies injecting eye make up in to rabbits eyes to see how long it takes for them to go blind then more power to them! and that whole thing with putting baby calfs in constricting little huts and milk feeding them and harvesting them for Veal .. oh man I just can't get behind that. but! if your going to go out and hunt, I don't see a damn thing wrong with that and wouldn't mind doing some small game hunting myself, I don't object to the killing of animals for food, but I do Strongly object to killing for killings sake.
What horrible things happened to Canada and GBR when they gave up firearms? I would gladly get thrown in a river if it meant a substantial decrease in gun violence elsewhere...
Secondly, I dont know that throwing some people in a river or even beating them up warrants being shot, and/or killed. Not all violence is equal...
No, it doesn't warrant being injured or being shot, but a rock up side the head can kill someone just the same. at the very least, the old rocks, paper, scissors game is trumped when you ad the fourth hand signal. if someone was messing with you to that point and they saw you were prepared to turn the tables, then most likely they'd high tail it out of there. end of conflict.
if not, at least your not the one eating out of a tube and wearing depends for the rest of your life. near drowning and a rock smashed in your head can both cause brain damage and death. no duh! i don't know the river, but pushing people wearing waders into a river is extremely dangerous and can easily cause drowning. just ask anyone on this forum whose taken a swim without a wader belt. that is life or death right then and there, no gun needed.
Are you defending punks who punch female fly fishers in the face? at the very least, they should be put jail, if not there, the hospital is fine with me. bottomline, they are terrorists just the same as Osama IMHO. your welcome to jump in a cold river anytime you feel like it if that what floats your boat! remember to wear a wader belt!
Sometimes I get mad and wish I had a firearm to protect myself from dirtbags when fishing. But I haven't gotten one yet b/c I think pulling out a weapon in a conflict would ultimately worsen the situation.
For example, what if the person(s) you were directing your weapon at were able to get it away from you and use it against you? Or, what if having your weapon presented a situation where the people violating you can turn the tables around legally and ultimately have the right to kill you in self defense once you pull out a gun?
I definitely think if people are harrassing, throwing rocks at and physically assaulting fisherman/families they should be arrested and serve time. They also probably need a good ass kicking. But I don't think they should be shot and/or killed. People who feel this way are no better than the terrorists in question.