Angling Morals Rant

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Dan Soltau, Mar 13, 2007.

  1. alpinetrout

    alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    Why would he be joking? I'd take a 20# lingcod over a steelhead any day too. They'll all wild & native, and a hell of a lot meaner.
     
  2. Jim Kerr

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    Hey is this a post about angling morals, or about internet forum morals.
    Me I'd take the 20 pound chromer, but a 50 pound ling cod, thats another story
     
  3. Keith Hixson

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    I'd rather eat Lingcod any day over trout. Some salmon may be equal to lingcod but not trout. That's why its so easy for me to practice catch and release with trout.

    They are hard fighting: But it sure is hard to reach the bottom with a fly. It's even harder to get them to bite without some bait. But, they do put up quite a fight.

    Now when it comes to the ugly award: Lingcod win every time.

    KEH
     
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    Whether you buy a click pawl reel or nymph beads really isn't an issue of morals is it?
     
  5. gigharborflyfisher

    gigharborflyfisher Native Trout Hunter

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    I 100% agree with Dan, it doesn't matter one bit the label one your rod or reel is, all that really matters is that you get out there and do some fishing. Just because you can't afford/ don't use a fancy name brand like Sage or Abel, doesn't mean that you should be held in any less regard than anyone else. I myself started fly fishing with an $5 old eagle claw rod with a $5 pflueger reel that I got at a garage sale. While I personally enjoy using rods /reels that cost a little more now because of the quality and warranties that doesn't mean that I catch anymore fish because of them. I think that the key thing is to just get out there and do some fishing!!
     
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    Jeez, why don't you guys start a Lincod thread........

    Anyway, lets not beat around the bush with Fly fishing guys because fly fishing has been an elitist sport for hundreds of years. It used to be the sport of Lords and Kings.

    My point is that obviously we should all be sensative to our differences in monetary wealth and moral convictions but never forget that fly fishing to the core is elitist and has always been. It is a greater challenge and it is harder to catch a huge fish on a fly and it does feel amazing when you do.

    I think that fly fishers who bicker among fly fishers is absolute BS but seriously BE PROUD!!! It is alright to be a little full of yourself for what you do because it is a spectacular pastime full of history and lore.

    I agree we should never tear each other down, that we should build up the community but never forget that the reality is a 20lbs steelhead on fly is a heck of a bigger deal than a 20lbs steelhead on a gear rod with bait.

    Lets toast our elitism!!!! :beer2: It is alright to be proud!
     
  7. luckybalbowa

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    power bait is all played out man! You need to get your hands on that new caddis flavored smelly jelly! It works great on Lafontaine's sparkle emerger! :)
     
  8. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    iagree It's also worth remembering that it's the ragged end of the cabin fever season, a time when we can all see the days getting longer and smell spring in the air. But everyone's still hunkered down and irritable and ready to pounce on any post that rubs their fur the wrong way, however slightly.

    K
     
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    Very true but Lance doesnt ride a huffy, and I dont think that Lefty casted a yellow eagle claw very often. :cool:

    There is a difference in quality and if you can notice it and want top end stuff you pay for it, but that does not mean you can flame a guy who uses a fifty dollar outfit.
     
  10. Marty

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    Lucky here I was just about to call you to go fishing but after that statement I am not sure I dare. Smelly Jelly, you have been working at the warehouse way to long.

    I have great equipment, last count over 30 rods but does that make me a better angler not really. What it does mean is I have the right tool for the job and my job takes me all over the place. I getting the feeling the “have not’s” are doing most of the complaining about elitist status that is attached to fly fishing. Time to get over it, it’s always been that way and always will be. For me there is a difference between elitist and the snob that thinks he is better than someone else because he has better equipment. If you fish flies exclusively you are an elitist, if you are a snob well then you are just an a$$. I will fish behind a snob any day, it’s a karma thing.
     
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    Yes, I’m proud to be a fly fisherman, but maybe I don’t understand the definition of elitism, if anyone can join the sport, how can it be elite.

    Do you need special abilities, intellect, wealth, or a distinct attribute to become a participant? :confused:

    In my opinion flyfishing is a personal choice. You can take this choice to any level you want, but it is still is a choice.

    Joe
     
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    True you are, but you can't fish with bait and call it fly fishing. You can't fish with a spinning reel and call it fly fishing. There are ALOT of prerequisites. It may not be the defition exactly of elitism but you know what I mean right?

    There are a lot of things one must do to call their fishing, "fly fishing". The details vary a lot as to what fly fishing is but it is always a handicap. We are an elite group amongst fishermen in general. I spin fish and fish bait every once in a while so I am not above it, and I think flyfishing has too much erogance and elitism from some; but I think others shouldn't shy away from it too much either.

    I guess that, ultimately, what I am trying to say is that all of our strong opinions and tendancies to argue stem from the fact that we revel in this sport with elite roots and principles; a sport that makes no sense from a numbers standpoint. If we are fishing, why not use the best means to catch the most fish? It doesn't compute.

    I think that we should all be proud of what we do with our fly rods. :beer2: And be proud that we all care enough to take the time to argue these principles over something that can only clearly be labeled: A good pastime. :beer2: At least, this means we have all found something that we are passionate enough about that makes our lives that much better. :beer2:
     
  13. Matt Burke

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    A lot of us old timers are tired of the bad threads and don’t like to chime in. After years of trying to change people’s opinions, I’ve decided it’s a lot like pissing in the wind. Add into it everyone here is hiding behind his or her screen, looking into an artificial world with artificial values. When we do meet out in the real world, the majority of us are not like our cyber personas. You add in a real voice with inflection, tone and all the other subtle human nuances that we really depend on for communication. Suddenly, you realize that they are human too. Online, the only way to get that is via video, which takes too much bandwidth with today’s technology. Chat rooms are OK, but again you are still faced with the limitations of the written word. I would like to see something like what you can do in Halo 2 where one can hear how really stupid other people can be online, but without the video feed. It would use a hell of a lot less bandwidth. Instead of calling it a chat room, you could call it an actually talk room. Maybe have voice recognition software translate to text. Wouldn’t have to be the entire conversation. Keywords could be used like, ”running line.” The conversations could be placed on a drive for other members to pull up. One could search for subjects like we do now and pull up the audio. While talking to someone in the ATR (actually talk room) I could hit a command that would bring up my standard answer to running line then quickly switch back to a conversation with another brother from the forum. Anyway, you get my drift, like a steelhead.

    On the elitist issue, in any crowd there is always 20% cull. In 20% of people who buy 40-dollar fly rigs from Wal-Mart or 2000-dollar rigs from a fly shop, will suck as human beings. Maybe some of you have had the fortune of running into one of the gods of fishing. The only one’s who deserve the title of “elite” not elitist. Yes, they can be standoffish but my lord, you have to remember how long they have been fishing and putting up with that 20% cull. I would be a rather nondescript, quite fellow too, but I was blessed with a big mouth. Some folks may not understand this and they think, well this guy is a little too snotty for me. Hey dipstick, they earned it! Nothing turns off those guys faster than disrespect. Worse than hoping yer going to get some from yer girlie and she suddenly ruins the bathroom with a smell not unlike the outhouses at Big Eddy. The best way I have found to cope with this is using one rule in life. Now remember, I’m only human and do make mistakes, but I always try to remember to treat people with respect whether they are the second coming of Christ or a total asshole. Unfortunately my big mouth gets in the way.
     
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  15. Dan Soltau

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    About 5 years ago, I spent a couple months living with my mom in east Texas. I fished a lot on well known bass lake Lake Fork, which is where 20 of the 25 top state fish have came from, including an 18lber. There is about 300 guides, if not more on the lake, and the fuckin things go damn near 80 mph, which is very intense after say, wade fishing the madison. Anyway, they got as technical, if not more technical than fly fisherman just with lure selection, and then the retrieve was a technically thought out to a science, that even my streamer fishing has nothing on. Fly fishermen have more difficult and higher skill with the actual casting mechanics, no doubt, and when fishing rivers that have complicated currents, keeping a dead drift can be very difficult in some spots. There is little more that involves more skill, maybe fish fighting, because horsing bass into the boat is a very caveman, but effective approach of gettin em in the boat. Other than that, we arent any better than the average bass fisherman. So thinking of fly fishing as an elitist type of fishing is wrong, there is nothing in the world like fly fishing, so a fly fisherman is a fly fisherman, nothing more nothing less. We dont compare to any other type of fisherman, so saying we are better or worse than another type is an untrue statement. But baitfisherman suck, pussies.:cool: