Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Klickrolf, May 6, 2013.
I keep telling people there's no steelhead here. But they won't listen
Chums and pinks are more fun anway
Good. Keep telling yourself that. And everyone else too.
Atlantic Salmon are more fun...
July 4 tomorrow, Independance Day. That used to be the date I'd check out the Deschutes...I won't be. Here we are today, please click "10 year average" button under "options". http://www.cbr.washington.edu/dart/query/adult_daily
Something is wrong here, drastically wrong, will we end up with 40% of the ten year average? I'll eat my hat if decent numbers come late...been watching, downloading and charting these numbers for 20 years...the steelhead numbers will only get worse!!
Those managing this debacle need to be fired. Results speak for themselves, excuses are excuses. Last 3 years the Columbia has been full to the brim with water, outmigration survival had to be much better than average. I hear ocean conditions must be the cause so who's responsible for monitoring ocean survival/conditions? And what have they learned? Are we subsidizing concentrations of predators in the salt? It ain't global warming as in rising ocean temps!! Do we have people trying to figure this out? Time to bring this thread back up and find out what we can about this piss poor steelhead return.
Aren't most of the steelhead headed that way "man made" also?
You do you figure that there is a debacle, and that it is being managed?
Natural variations in anadromous fish abundance up to, and sometimes exceeding, an order of magnitude are within the bounds of "normal" observations. 40% is easily within the sideboards.
Salmo, read your post before your edit. I did write up a long response but killed it before posting, now it's coming back the best as I can recall it. The ESA has made 50% of the harvestable fish into 15% (13% tribal and 2% sport and commercial)...spring chinook numbers per you...
In river (Lower Col.) bycatch will be reduced via seines, beach and other. Hope the boats have sorting ponds, most of the seine caught bycatch will die regardless.
I have trend charts addressing steelhead passage over Bonneville and could make them for spring chinook too but don't think it would make any difference. Steelhead numbers are not trending up in the last 20 years, regardless of origin. My real question is does WA state, OR state or the PNW in general have an overriding objective to improve anadromous fish returns? If so they have failed. The plan should address wild fish only because they don't cost us money. Are the fisheries programs concerned with maintaining the status quo or are they invested in rebuilding the runs? BPA funds alot of research as in steelhead redd counts throughout the Columbia system. I haven't tried to relate those to Columbia returns and ocean conditions since I have zero data wrt ocean conditions.
Don't mean to be an ass, just hope my BPA ratepaying, WA fishing license and federal taxes are trying to fix it. Are we invested in options that will make things better in the long run? Doesn't seem so. Maybe some serious salt water tracking is needed, alot of steelhead are carrying PIT tags these days...at a high cost. Are there efforts to learn what's happing in the big pond? What makes it good, what makes it bad? Sure hope we're spending the coin where it can help, i.e teach us something useful.
I don't see us having a season this year.
I sure hope it gets to 40% of the 10 year average. Currently the Wild count over Bonneville is 2869 and 40% of the 10 year average is 3223, while we are at 2869 and falling back each day.
10 year average is a bad indicator. If you want a more realistic average, look at 1995 - 2005. There were some amazing return years later that IMO may tweak the average too much. People complained last year, but final numbers were oretty good if you have been around a while. But fish are later, and that certainly squeezes the "the good weather" window for the travelling angler.
You are at the tail end of nearly 2 centuries of widespread abuse of the rivers, the oceans and the lands they touch. If it ever turns around, no body here will be alive to see it. If you charted fish abundance (pretty much everywhere on earth) over the last 200 years, you'll see a fairly steep, curve in a bad direction. No habitat, loss of forage, massive overharvest, migration barriers and hatchery production. Since the industrial revolution, everyone thinks that a better process can fix all the worlds woes, and that profit must always be the heart of the matter. Until that myopic view changes, the trend will continue.
The average wild passage over Bonneville was 76212 for the years 1995 to 2005. Of course this is the final count. In early July 2013 we will still only be forecasting and guessing. I sure hope the 2869 so far this year will be close to the 76212 for the year.
A guy on the river I was talking with, told me the chinook were about one month late.... With that said, he thinks the steelhead are also about 30 days late. I have not ever really kept track of the salmon run, but there seems to be allot of chinook and sockeyes going over.. Does that make sense or have any possibility of being true for anyone who keeps tabs on the chinook runs?
oh hell, I am still going fishing. We can lament about it, worry about it, but in the case of this year, cant do shit about it. What comes is what comes.....
I am the eternal optomist.....we broke 500 yesterday at bonny