another disturbing impact

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by gt, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. gt

    gt Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,617
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    sequim, WA
  2. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2004
    Messages:
    7,183
    Likes Received:
    1,295
    Location:
    Not sure
    I saw that in today's Seattle Times. Sure does make me wonder what the impact of a large 'dead' area off the coast of Oregon, SW Washington and northern California will be for anadromous fish.

    K
     
  3. Matt Burke

    Matt Burke Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    3,721
    Likes Received:
    129
    Location:
    Kenmore
    Saw that last night in the news.
    I don't think we will. With China in the gasoline race to the end of fossil fuels, they will be expanding their carbon foot prints while we may attempt to reduce ours. I think it's ironic that there are just enough fossil fuels to turn Earth into a venus like atmosphere, and then run out. When are we due to run out of fossil fuels? I guess at that point it may become profitable to find alternative energy resources.
     
  4. seanengman

    seanengman Trout have no politics

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2006
    Messages:
    966
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    davenport, wa
    Just like every other environmental issue, you cannot attribute the effects to just one cause. Over fishing in those areas is also a major part of the problem. Don't get me wrong, creating new sources of energy is going to make a major difference and is very important.
     
  5. Flyborg

    Flyborg Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2006
    Messages:
    2,468
    Likes Received:
    815
    Location:
    Kalama, WA
    Just curious, but how does coastal over-fishing create oxygen dead zones?
     
  6. Matt Burke

    Matt Burke Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    3,721
    Likes Received:
    129
    Location:
    Kenmore
    Not being able to attribute the effects seems to be the catch phrase of the George W era. Either way, we are seeing the results of something on a daily basis. Nobody can deny that. Maybe we should call it global something. That way it would be sort of PC so that at least corporate folks could address the issue. But like I said, without a profit to the solution, nothing will be done.
     
  7. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2004
    Messages:
    7,183
    Likes Received:
    1,295
    Location:
    Not sure
    Dead right Mattzoid. It used to be called 'global warming' before the Republican spinmasters softened it to the less-ominous 'climate change'.

    I saw representative Jay Inslee's talk at UW a few weeks back promoting his book 'Apollos' Fire' (http://www.apollosfire.net/). He makes a really compelling case for all the new technologies and businesses that are thirsty for federal R&D support and which could generate huge new industries and jobs to proper alternative energy sources.

    Instead, this administration's almost exclusive support of big oil and big coal as the energy sources of choice give the lie to the right's mantra of letting the markets determine business success. The old extraction industries are on life support thanks to W, Cheney, and their denier cronies.

    K
     
  8. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2005
    Messages:
    3,018
    Likes Received:
    1,716
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    I suspect the dead zone off the coast has a similar ultimate cause to that in the Hood Canal, if not the same proximate cause - changes in dynamics of circulation that result in the depletion of oxygen in the water layer trapped near the ocean floor.

    As in the Hood Canal, this is likely to have little effect on the anadromous fish, which occupy the pelagic zone during their lives in the sea. That said, it is a symptom of serious problems in the oceans. The benthic zone (sea floor and lower layer where oxygen depletion is most likely to occur) is home to a greater diversity of (multicellular) marine life than is the pelagic zone. Halibut and other bottom dwelling fish are likely to be impacted.

    Dick
     
  9. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

    Joined:
    May 10, 2004
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    43
    Location:
    Snohomish, WA.
    That's funny - I thought it was the Al Gore alarmists that were behind the change in terminology. Too many people were seeing more snow than usual, colder than average temps, etc etc and saying "warming my a$$!".
     
  10. creekx

    creekx spent spinner

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2004
    Messages:
    658
    Likes Received:
    259
    Location:
    Rancho Deluxe
    I understand you hate all things Republican, but that statement could not be further from the truth! The language shift from 'global warming' to 'climate change' was perpetrated by the AGW side as a response to questions and data (like record cold in India right now) that points to cooling. Any and all weather patterns, real or imagined can be thrown under the umbrella of 'climate change'. You see, it's a catch-all that controls the language, making any debate much more difficult.
     
  11. MDL

    MDL We work to become, not to acquire.

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2004
    Messages:
    227
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Gig Harbor, WA
    Chad,
    The more snow and crazy weather cycles are the effects of "Global Warming". The nay sayers will spin it to suit them. All one has to do is read the research and they will find that, the credible scientist, state the weather we are seeing is a direct result of 'Global Warming".
     
  12. Matt Burke

    Matt Burke Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    3,721
    Likes Received:
    129
    Location:
    Kenmore
    I really don’t think it matters which party you say you’re affiliated with when neither side wants to piss off the big guns of business. None of the folks voted into office would be there if it weren’t for the corporate slim and lobbyists.
     
  13. David Prutsman

    David Prutsman All men are equal before fish

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    322
    Likes Received:
    25
    Location:
    Woodland Park, Colorado
    IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! Okay, I'm in Antarctica helping support McMurdo Station for the purpose of science. I have discussed "global warming" with several of the worlds top researchers on the topic of climate change, which is what they call it....climate change because global warming is a catch prhase intended to cause global panic but more so because they can't prove human involvemnet. They are taking ice core samples which date back to over 20 thousand years and can extrapolate nothing decisive on the matter. Many of the researchers I've talked to do not yet believe there is enough data/proof to determine humans are the cause.

    David
     
  14. snbrundage

    snbrundage Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2005
    Messages:
    111
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    seattle, wa
    The Seattle PI ran an article about deforestation on 2/2/08. They quoted UN scientists as saying that if we lose the forests we lose the warming fight. They also quote UN scientists as saying deforestation is going on at 32 million acres per year. The equivilant of half of Britain.

    It was interesting to me that they say the Northern forests are relatively stable and that the real deforestation is happening in Africa and South America.

    Tom Delay reported on tv last week, in an attack on McCain, that there is no human cause of global warming, period. Seems that a lot of people believe that.

    Well, since it is south of the equator it not our problem anyway.
     
  15. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2004
    Messages:
    6,340
    Likes Received:
    1,097
    Location:
    Cranberry Country...a glorified coastal swamp!
    Thanks for the link, gt.
    Remember the spring and early summer of 2006, we didn't get the usual amount of sustained stronger NW wind days here on the coast. Lots of light wind days. The surface water temp was more conducive to surfing, like it usually is late summer and fall.
    Finally, the NW winds kicked in, and the upwelling resumed. We need those NW winds to blow the surface water down and away from the WA coast to allow the upwelling.
    There were fewer baitfish around. No upwelling of nutrient rich cold water > fewer plankton > fewer baitfish. The food chain was interrupted from the botttom.
    Also, due to the warmer water,more Humboldt Squid showed up around here than I can remember. Earlier than usual, too. The Tuna came in closer than usual. For a short while some boats were catching them just a few miles outside of the Grays Harbor entrance.

    We think we're smarter than dinosaurs? We'll see.

    Last year the NW winds kicked in early again. We are still experiencing La Nina conditions and surface water temps 1 or 2 degrees Celsius below normal, so I have hope for good upwelling to happen again this year. The surfers are gonna be whining.:rofl:

    Interesting that scientists think the dead zones off OR and WA are caused by currents. I'm sure the nutrient mix from all the agricultural runoff coming out of the Columbia R contributes to this as well.