another disturbing impact

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  1. WPEB

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    Here are a few...

    http://icecap.us/index.php/go/climate-library

    Look at the studies and reports on the right...
     
  2. QHays

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    I strongly suggest that all rational thinkers participating in this discussion refrain from legitimizing the views of the pseudo-science propounding religious idealogues who obviously have no grasp of scientific design, method or follow-through by not posting any further responses. This is the stance finally assumed by scientists in America in response to evolution nay-sayers and it is unfortunately the only effective tactic. Again, replying to outlandish claims only lends credibility to them. Sadly, this thread exemplifies why America is rapidly falling behind the rest of the thinking world in nearly every social and scientific category. Good luck...
     
  3. gt

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    icecap is an interesting site. unfortunately, it's nothing but more opinions, no scientific evidence is presented, only discent and doubt by some folks funded by who knows who. you notice they don't let you in on their funding secret!

    now, were is your peer reviewed refutation of climate change and it's links to mankind, WPEB?????????????

    as i have stated, opinions really don't count in this debate, only science needs to be presented. if'yah'got'it, post it, or you might consider just how shallow and meaningless your ranting actually proves to be.
     
  4. Salmo_g

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    I see why I stay out of the climate change thread debates. So many Americans don't understand science. I wonder what proportion of Americans are even taught the process of scientific reasoning or critical thinking skills. So many arguments from visceral knowledge and too few from rational thought.

    Good catch Steve on the relative contributions of religion and science to humanity, and an even better catch to edit your 12:21 post.

    Sg
     
  5. Derek Day

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    WPEB,

    Only one of those appeared to have been published in a peer reviewed journal (Nature). Further, it was a comment about someone else's work, which was not peer reviewed, but editor reviewed. Do you undestand what peer review is?
     
  6. WPEB

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    You don't like all the ones I just posted? here is some info on another one: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8&Issue_id

    info about some more
     
  7. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    ~Phil:

    Did you see Derek's post immediately above your last one?

    Do you understand what 'peer reviewed' means?

    Just because I put up a web site with content that I purport to be true and factual doesn't mean it really is. Just because Dr. Phil has a TV show doesn't really make him a real doctor or a real psychologist.

    You could post a hundred similar URLs with lists of 'dissenting' scientists, but that doesn't make them any more valid than Dr. Phil's 'doctorate' if those 'scientists' positions haven't been subjected to and vetted by the peer review process.

    If they haven't, then their opinions are no more valid than mine.

    K
     
  8. snbrundage

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    WPEB

    GLOBAL WARMING'S COMMUNIST UNDERPINNINGS

    That is the title of one paper published on the Canadian Free Press website.

    sb
     
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    QHays

    That figure is '97 percent idiots'. 96 percent is the Canadian figure.
     
  10. WPEB

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    Canadian free press isn't my choice for when looking for news, I was more interested in the study the article speaks of. Its the study written by Prof. David H. Douglass (Univ. of Rochester), Prof. John R. Christy (Univ. of Alabama), Benjamin D. Pearson (graduate student), and Prof. S. Fred Singer (Univ. of Virginia).
    Published in the the International Journal of Climatology of the Royal Meteorological Society.
    The study was peer reviewed.

    You can find more information on this at the Royal Meteorological Society website.

    Thanks for asking Kent and Derek, but yes I do know what peer reviewed means... I'll admit it, it is difficult to find these things online, but not impossible.

    As for the other websites I gave, they were not meant as hard proof of anything, just that such studies and reports are out there.
     
  11. HauntedByWaters

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    Hooked and lost one yesterday on the Skagit below the Baker.
     
  12. dinomium

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    That site is register to Joe D'Aleo, a retired meteorologist. Not evil yet. He did some work in the early days of the Weather Network. Ok… Contributing Author for The Fraser Institute. Now we are getting somewhere.
    The Fraser Institute is a "free market" oriented Canadian think tank. Climate change is one of the primary focuses of its environment-related research.
    In 2003 and 2004 the Fraser Institute accepted $60,000 US (120k total) from Exxon. Always follow the money… http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=107

    Now just because you contribute to a site that take moneys from an oil company does not necessarily mean you are biased. It does wave a giant read flag however!
    :hmmm:
     
  13. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Good sleuthing job dinomium!

    Why, one wonders, would Exxon Mobil spend $120K to fund a Canadian web site spouting AGW rhetoric and dedicated to sewing seeds of doubt among the weak-minded? ;)

    K
     
  14. WPEB

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    That seems like a stretch, Joe D'Aleo has contributed to the Fraser Institute.
    The Fraser institute has accepted 120k from exxon.
    To say that the money from exxon biases the entire institute, Joe D'Aleo, and therefore ICECAP and all its contributors is a ridiculous proposition.

    First off, the Fraser Institute is a independent non-profit organization who has received financial donations from thousands of contributors. Second, D'Aleo is not a regular with the Fraser Institute, but has contributed to the Independent summary for policymakers of the IPCC Fourth Assessment.

    You can find more of about that here: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/Commerce.Web/product_files/Independent Summary5.pdf
    Interesting read for those of you so inclined. A peer reviewed assessment
     
  15. dinomium

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    I was merely pointing out the links between the two and even stated a disclaimer. Hey, if The vice president can go hunting with a supreme court justice while the case involving him and influence pedaling is before the court, then 'appearance of impropriety' for excluding oneself is indeed a 'quaint' notion.
    :beathead: pollution is bad. If you really don't think humans are hurting the planet, go to the top of Crystal Mountain and look at the valley below. When I was a kid you could see downtown Seattle, now you just see a pink cloak...