Another Fly Shop Closing Their Doors

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  1. TD

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    Great perspective - perhaps there can be local shops that also can utilize the internet and some how take advantage of the closeouts and special deals that online companies are using. Gets a guy thinking...
     
  2. Chris Bellows

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    regionally it will be tough for some areas that will not have shops nearby. the destination shops will always exist because of their location (think streamside shops on popular destination fisheries.)

    luckily the best online retailers imo also happen to be brick and mortar stores with a few exceptions. how the generic online shops (like stockard) compete with the real shops and whether customers appreciate the online content real shops produce will imo be the determining factor in whether non-destination shops survive. the real shops tend to produce tying videos, rod tests, fishing reports, how-to articles that give value back to the in store and online fly fishing community. i believe there is value in that content and those shops will be rewarded versus the warehouse outlets that basically just regurgitate the suppliers catalogs.
     
  3. martyg

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    Whenever there is change in a system you are also presented with opportunities. "Organisms" that don't capitalize on those changes will likely see a scenario where they are out competed by "invasive" species.

    Amazon and Borders are two excellent examples of this. We all have the ability to rise to the level of an Jeff Bezos, but it doesn't come without a lot of very hard work, many failures and sacrifice. Yes, fly shops do form the hub of many community's fly fishing cultures, but they are first and foremost businesses.
     
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    I live out in the sticks already, so getting to a fly shop isn't very easy for me. A lot of the new stuff doesn't interest me...so sadly enough, I'm not that big of a supporter to fly shops. Buy I do buy the smaller things like floatant, leader, tippet etc from them. I don't tie flies yet, so I pick up my flies from shops and on the net when I can't find them locally.

    To make it today, and has already been said...if the shop doesn't have internet sales its going to be tough for anyone in any area of commerce.

    When I travel, I do like to see a local fly shop to drop in and be able to get info. on the local waters. That part of the shops I do miss. And I always make a purchase when the owner spends time conversing about the local waters, its just common courtesy in my book.
     
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    You just HIT on a "subject" the online retailers haven't had to deal with yet...RETURNS (in volumes).

    This a message for ALL you online retailers...

    The first time I get any "junk" materials from you...IT WILL be returned at your cost!

    ...AND YOUR NAME GETS SLAMMED ON THE INTERNET.

    Beware...you have been warned.

    You too suppliers/manufacturers...quit driving the people that sell (explain) your products out of business;)
     
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    Well....that'll have 'em shakin' in their boots. Actually, online retailers know all about returns and have policies and guidelines in place for them. Google RMA...
     
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  8. David Dalan

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    Many of them already do. By way of example, I have bought several items from PS Fly Co via this website. I have also bought materials from The Gorge Flyshop, Caddis, Creekside, The Flyshop in redding, Kaufmanns (old days), Water West and AO Feathers and I am sure more. Even Orivs and Cabelas :) I have shopped some of these in the store as well, but not all of them.

    I also buy stuff from Steve's Archery (archery and Fly shop here in Walla Walla). And Bi-Mart. Used to buy stuff at Payless and an a long ago closed Flyshop in a strip mall on the banks of the Cedar in downtown Renton.

    I'm not passing judgement on anyones purchasing habits, and I agree that the Internet should be in the mix of any Fly Shops business.

    HOWEVER, the Internet is also the great equalizer and margins have very likely shrunk on products. The only way to offset falling margins is to increase volume or diversify into products with better margins. Problem is, can a small shop do this and would they even want to? I mean, how many Flyshop owners got in the business to become the Flyfishing version of Amazon.com. I bet almost none. They like fly gear, and did not dream of being the head of a $100M/yr online retailer scraping off 0.5% profit margin. High liability, high volatility, low net profit.

    That sounds like Farming, and unless you want to Farm, its a lousy job.

    I assume a need to diversify (even if they don't know this academically) results in the continued success of shop based guide businesses. Or custom materials. Or destination travel.

    Anyway the loss of someones dream is sad.
     
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    The really sad part of all off this cuts much deeper than just the loss of the brick & mortar fly shop. It also represents the loss of years of work in building a healthy business. An investment towards retirement when one sold the business. One would think (or maybe it is just blind hope) the same fly fishing industry that built the (brick & mortar) fly fishing pro shop concept would see the writing on the wall here and step in with a rescue plan. I, for one, will not be laying out major bucks for a piece of equipment that I am not able to do a side by side comparison with several other models from different competitors.
     
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    Is this a serious statement? Or maybe this was originally posted in 1998?
     
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    A sad day indeed. I've always enjoyed the trips I've taken with Rich (he'll still be guiding)...I'd be willing to bet that his stress level will be much less without having to worry about the retail side of things...
     
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