Another Full Lot Report and Observations

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Shawn Seeger, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. cabezon

    cabezon Sculpin Enterprises

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    It is interesting that the social convention here in the NW is that the first person to a site can occupy a spot all day. While there may be trout scattered throughout a lake, they can often pod up on specific spots. Lenore is notorious for tight pods of fish. I watched two guys in pontoons catch 30+ Lahontans each in a few hours because they were anchored up on the school. I was just outside their water and picked up a few fish. Similarly, I've been on the Cascade R. for coho and watched three guys in the sweet spot catch limits of coho and then stay in the same spot catching and releasing for hours. If you weren't in that spot you weren't catching much of anything.

    In Maine, the tradition when fishing for searun Atlantics at the best-known runs was to rotate. You would put your rod in a rod holder to indicate your position in the line-up and then have your shot at flogging the water. It was the typical cast, retrieve, and step down fishing approach. When you reached the end of the run, you put your rod back in the holder and waited for your chance to roll around again.

    At combat fisheries (Cowlitz, Satsop, etc.), there have been angry words and worse when someone takes another's spot while that person was fighting / landing a fish and then wanted back in.

    Kind of mirrors pre-school: to share or not.

    Steve
     
  2. Shawn Seeger

    Shawn Seeger (aka. wabowhunter)

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    Nope no need to talk, based on your screen name you and I probably have more in common than you know, and I am not now nor ever be a elitist 9any gear that is legal) or a fish bigot for that mater (any species). I just want to make sure the picture of the events and my view was clear.

    Also, as far as location goes, it is interesting, I moved several times though out each day, and each was productive. Maybe one more than another, but they were all productive.

    And in a couple of weeks each will be different.
     
  3. Allison

    Allison Banned or Parked

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    Thanks, took a look and I should be good to go.
     
  4. gearhead

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    Sorry Shawn, was abit provocative i guess looking at it now, would like to retract it. just thought it was funny at the time.
     
  5. LJ

    LJ Low Tech Lo

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    Now that tempers appear to have calmed a bit it’s time for me, the subject of most of the criticism, to have my say. I appreciate all who spoke up in support or come to my defense – fishing under such crowded conditions is a challenge especially when everyone is expecting the stellar fishing reported on the opening few days.
    Let me say, first, that I troll not because I don’t know how to cast. I find it my most productive and satisfying way to fish. I can’t sit still for hours and stare at an indicator.
    As for ‘sharing’ the water, I must say you guys were monopolizing one of the most productive pockets of fish on the lake. I had fished that pocket of cruisers with much success on the opening Monday & Tuesday and hoped to try that section again on the weekend in question. On Saturday a fellow in a pram parked himself directly in the center of the area for the entire day, casting about in all directions. I spent an hour or so trolling in and out of the mouth of the channel always on the opposite side of where he was bobber fishing. I returned to the area several times during the day fishing in the same manner. He never objected.
    On Sunday, I decided to get on the water earlier (8:30) hoping to get back into the same area but there were already a few boats parked there but back a bit further than the day before. I launched and had kicked about ¾ of the way across the lake when two guys who had launched just after me came barreling past in pontoon boats and took up the other open areas. I then came through the parked boats into the mouth of the channel and from there cast into the same general area but from the opposite direction, into the same pocket of cruising fish. I never fished over anyone’s lines. I occasionally trolled between boats when someone was netting a fish or re-rigging their set-up. You made it sounded like I did this constantly. If anyone had an issue with this you could have said so – no one did. Later in the day I returned and did pretty much the same thing. I spent less than an hour in ‘your space’ then and finally left because I couldn’t stand the incessant chatter of one of the fishers. It was on my way out – yes, between and behind the boats, because it was the shortest route for someone under foot power – that Sageman wrapped his line around my spare rod, in his backcast. Yes I was annoyed because as you folks have said, you knew I was back there. I was the one who came over to you so you could get untangled and you never even said a word to me – no sorry, no thanks nor complaints about my ‘problem behavior’. So I appreciate your apology in hindsight. You were all still parked in that pocket when I left the lake around 3:30.
    If you or anyone was having a problem with my fishing, you could have come and talked with me about it. Posting my photo was inexcusable – you never would have posted another guy’s photo. Thank your wife for me Shawn and I accept your apology. She must understand the challenge women face in a male dominated sport. I frequently fish and camp alone and I felt as though you placed a big target on my back. I am not a newbie and am well know at Lenice and other area lakes. I have fished with and alongside many of you over the years and believe I am a courteous and respected member of the flyfishing community. If I caused you any problems on the lake I certainly apologize and thank those of you who countered with more reasonable responses to this series of posts. I’ll be there again throughout the season and expect you to treat me as you would any other fisherman and I’ll do the same.

    LJ
     
  6. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    I still don't get it.
    Why would you all drive all the way over to the dry side to fish a weedy low land desert pond?
    Is it the weather? Sunny warm, cloudless skies?
    I know that there a many lakes that have just as nice of fish, cleaner water, timbered shore lines on the west side of the mountains.
    I think I know why, but please tell me your reasons.
    Thanks in advance.
    Nice explanation LJ.
     
  7. Scott Salzer

    Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    Gary:

    The grass is always greener.......

    MB
     
  8. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    LJ

    I'm sorry you wanted us to tell you your behavior was objectionable. Well I'll make sure to do so next time. In return I would like you to let me know that my "incessant chatter" bothered you. I'm not likely to change anything about that but based on your reply, you don't believe you did anything wrong so I doubt talking to you about your behavior would have done any good either.

    As for Sageman hooking up with you, he did say he was sorry almost immediately, I guess you were to angry to hear. What I never heard though was an apology from you for being behind him. I don't think at that moment he "knew" you were behind him. Even if he did I don't think he would have not set the hook on the fish that took his indicator under just in case he did hook up and his back cast might accidently hook your rod. It was an accident and given that you were not anchored and he was and you were behind him not the other way it seems to make sense that you would move over to him. You make it sound like that was some gigantic deal on your part to move over after the rods were hooked up. Sageman did nothing wrong and I'm not sure why you still think he did. Are you ready to apologize to him yet?

    With that I don't believe we were bothered, in fact I know that we were friendly (see "incessant chatter" not sure how you saw this as anything but friendly), we were just curious and after a day at Lenore there was nothing about your behavior that bothered me. The only thing that bothed me was your reaction and your friends reaction to me and to Sageman after he accidently hooked you. From my perspective, we were friendly having fun and not minding what others considered bad form. For that we get treated with contempt and rudeness. Intentions versus perceptions again.

    Ira..

    FYI this has nothing to do with the fact that you are a woman. One of my favorite fishing partners is a woman and I'm just as ticked about what I percieved to be rude behavior from men.
     
  9. gearhead

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    You seek out crowds, based on your greed to catch fish. its normal, nothing wrong with that. first your at Lenore, then your at this lake, so its obvious. we all do it, so stop bitching about everybody not fishing your way. as a flyfish you always need to be aware of whats behind you. its your responsibility to do this, there is no excuse. i don't accept bullying on crowded waters. come off your high tower.

    by the way, i have a Black Friend, so that means i'm not racist right. give me a break.
     
  10. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    gearhead,

    I'm sorry, no high towers here I'm not sure what you read but I never ever ever bullied nor did I judge others for how they were fishing. Just out of curiosity, what in my writing made you feel like I bullied another fisher? What in my writing made you feel that I disagreed with the way that someone fished?

    So gearhead if I silently work my way behind you while you are fishing, regardless of why I silently worked my way behind you, you should be aware of me, not set your hook on a fish just in case I might be behind you and you miss the fish and hook me not knowing I was originally there. Is this really your logic? Or do you check behind you before you set the hook each time. If so you have incredible self control, and I must bow down to you because there is no way I could not set the hook on a down indicator unless the rod is simply not in my hand, which as any bobber fisher knows happens more often than not.

    Yes, I like to catch fish. In fact I like to catch lots of fish and I also want other people to catch fish as well. I do not see this as greed. Do you not like to catch fish? I'm sorry but after 35 years of fishing I still have not "evolved" into one of those truly enlightened individuals who has managed to not care about catching fish when they go fishing. I honestly just want to catch fish, but as I posted earlier I enjoy it just as much when others around me are catching fish as well. So much so that I have a hard time containing my glee. If given the choice between catching lots of fish but noone else is catching fish and catching a few fish and everyone else is catching a few fish, I will choose the latter everytime.

    Again I never bullied I did the exact opposite in this situation I welcomed and offered up everything I was doing to be successfull. I was friendly and so were my friends. How this was miss perceived I don't know. I'm sorry it was though, trust me.

    As for the black friend comment, again I'm not sure what you read but it was indicated that this situation that started all of this might have something to do with the fact that the person in question was a woman. I was simply stating that sexism played no roll and that I did not appreciate the innuendo. So with all due respect, give me a break.

    Ira..
     
  11. gearhead

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    maybe you should stop paying so much attention to my words and read yours. and yes i am aware of whats around me when i fish, especially crowded waters, for safetey, but i will also admit greed too, for i, as i suspect you as well, are always on the lookout for claimjumpers, and frankly, i don't think that back cast was an accident at all, its clear reading between the lines what happened here, for i am guilty of it, atleast a time or two myself,although it was more than twenty years ago. the o'l "hey that person is too close, watch this," routine. i'm a vet brutal combat fisheries such as blue creek and others as far back as the 80's.
    as far as catching fish, did ya see my name, i like it, and if everybody else is catching and i'm not i cry and whine. but i,m never a jerk. i'm sorry if you don't get the black friend comparison with regards to you referencing that your not a sexist because you have a female fisher friend, then i can't help you.
     
  12. Griswald

    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    My.

    Here is the bottom line. And why I am over with Lenice. Too many people.

    1. If you are around someone fishing (anchored or otherwise) is it so flippin hard to just say hello or anything to alert the caster to your presence? I mean come on.

    2. If you are fishing, can you just (if you foul hook or come close to a cast just) say, wow, sorry!?

    3. Stillwater fishing is different than moving water. Some folks might not realize it, but my interpretation is that there is ALOT of lake around, so if someone wants to sit in the same spot all day---have at it. Get over yourself. If you can't find fish in other parts of the lake, maybe it is not the lake for you to fish? (insert elitist jab here)

    4. Whining. Really? Most of these people, if you ran into them in a pub after fishing all day, and saw they (by their appearance) were fishing that day you would probably enjoy talking to, or hell maybe even make friends with. Why does every
    3rd post here have to degenerate into a left/right wing or racist/sexist, elitest/dork argument? (Yes folks that was me whining)

    5. It is about the fishing. That is why I do it. To get away, or sometimes to connect. With nature, with people with myself. If I can not enjoy myself I either: Move on, address it and move on, or ignore it. What is so difficult about that?

    Griswald
     
  13. Gary Thompson

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    Cold beer, popcorn!!!
    Get your cold beer & popcorn, here.
    And yes the grass is greener, getting greener everyday.
     
  14. ribka

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    I think we need another rockslide on the pass
     
  15. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm buying Griswald a beer!:beer1: Can't we all just get along? I'm going on a fishing trip tomorrow and hopefully there will be some chatter among friends and GULP strangers. Further hoping that some of those strangers will become friends.