Another UV Light Question

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  1. Mike Ediger

    Mike Ediger Active Member

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    Ok....I have read many of the threads on UV resins and still am not sure exactly what to get.
    If I get a set through most fly tying companies, I will be paying $60-$80 for the resin plus light, yet there are many UV lights under $14 on flea-bay. What is it that I am supposed to be looking for? Will a 380-400nm light work, or do I need something exactly at a particular range. I have read on many of the threads that I have to match the light to my resin, just not sure how to do that.
    All I plan on doing is tying some chironomid patters and want to experiment with Loon UV knotsense or Clear Goo without spending $80.
    Any practical help for me?
    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  2. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    Mike,
    I bought CCG tack free and their light when I first dove into UV cures. The CCG wasn't really tack free, so I wasn't real impressed with the product.
    I bought a tube of Knot Sense and the CCG light cures it fine. It is a bit tacky, so I just coat it with SH Hard as Nails. I generally tie at night, so it may not be tacky if I had sunlight to finish curing it.
    I've tied a bunch of saltwater flies with it and find it every durable. It holds up well to getting dinged on the beach.
    If you can find a inexpense light with the same specs as the CCG, you should be able to get started for around $20 or so including a tube of Knotsense. You could do a ton of chironomids with one tube of Knot Sense. Loon also has their own UV lights.
    I hope this helps.
    SF
     
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    Bug-bond is sweet I used it one time. Made some killer scud backs with it
     
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    mike,

    i dont think ANY of the goo dealers will ever specify which wavelength flashlight to buy. it must be a trade secret to keep us from buying on ebay or wherever and digging into their profits and we must pay their over inflated prices.


    here is one of the lights i use for uv resins

    http://dx.com/p/ultrafire-wf-501b-3w-uv-395-400nm-led-flashlight-with-clip-1-18650-2-cr123a-15456

    it cures clear cure goo, bug bond, solarez, diamond hard etc

    search ebay and you will find even cheaper uv lights
     
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  5. candr

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    I switched to diamond hard a few months back and have had success with it. They make a thin and thicker consistency and the finish is tack free (no greasy film with the cured product). I ordered a few bottles and their uv light (they call it a torch) from the UK although you can order it from a few suppliers in the US (their direct website is www.deercreek.co.uk - i think?). I've found the thinner consistency is great for chironomids and the thick works well for baitfish heads, wingcases etc.

    Prior to switching to diamond hard I did order a large bottle of Loon and really disliked the final product. I used their light but continued to have a greasy film on my finish. I tried coating with Sally Hansons but the flies ended up with a yellow finish after a few months and so there may have been some kind of adverse reaction between the products. The Loon now sits on my shelf. Most of the manufacturers of this product say that the properties can vary from batch to batch and that they are continually refining the formula so in Loon's defense maybe their recent supply is better. My bottle will sit on the shelf as I am happy with the results with diamond hard.
     
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    Candr,
    Thanks for the feedback on the Loon uv product. Did you used there UV Clear Fly Finish or Knot Sense?
    I just checked a bunch of coho bucktails I tied up last June through September using Knot Sense. Some have been fished and others haven't. After 5 to 8 months, none have yellowed. They were coated with Hard as Nails and have been box stored in a cool dark place the whole time. Perhaps you did get a bad batch Loon product.

    I've heard good things about Diamond Hard and plan to give it a try. I like the tack free finish you mentioned along with the thick and thin options.
     
  7. Mike Ediger

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    Thanks Guys.
    Candr, are you in the UK? If not, where in the states are you ordering it from. I found one place called the Bears Den but don't know anything about them.
    One more thing...is a UV "Blacklight" the same type of UV light that I need?
    Mike
     
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    i have been told that loon UV Clear Fly Finish or Knot Sense are the same product just in a different bottle

    anybody else hear this?
     
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    I have used Loon Knot Sense until about a year ago then I started using CCG Hydro which I really like, with that said I mostly use it for small flies and head finish. As for a light I found a UV Loon light at Sierra Trading Post a few years ago on sale and it works.
     
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    Norm,
    I've read multiple times that the Loon products are the same, but I never seen any tech or spec facts posted to back up those claims.
    It would be interesting to know if they are the same product.
    SF
     
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    Its an easy test. Put the same amount of each product on a piece of white paper. Compare: color, translucency, and consistency (thickness). Then hit it with a UV light, and do not center the light over either glop; but center the light between the two products.

    Then check to see if the products cure in the same time and feel the same without tackiness.

    After cure, compare the color, sheen, and hardness of the two.

    If they both look and act the same before cure, cures the same, a looks and act the same after cure; they are functionally the same even if they may differ a bit chemically
     
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    do you know what the wavelength is to cure resin like CCG, Bug bond, diamond hard, solarez etc?

    thanks
     
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    Any of their lights should cure the others. Just buy one.
     
  14. candr

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    Mike,
    I'm in Seattle - I purchased mine from fly tying specialties. It's not listed directly on his site but if you use the search function and search for "diamond" it comes up under his fly tying supplies page. He only sells the kit with the light for just over $50. Lots of other interesting stuff on that site too.....

     
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    Stonefish,

    I used the clear fly finish. I attached a pic of the Loon I used and the diamond hard and light.

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