Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by golfman44, Dec 6, 2017.
Is it a bad thing that I own all that stuff and know how to use it?
sounds like a good rig ill give it a try this year.
not at all. in fact, i think its great. i wish i was that well versed. edit: it might be bad if you have like.... 5 of each....
If indicators were not effective, this debate would not be happening.
If steelhead were plentiful up and down every system, this debate would not be happening.
I truly believe they worry about the definition because the two above are not true.
It's OK Ira, I have nerves of steel, but the non-conducting kind. Fly fishing for trout has a tradition about 4 centuries longer than for steelhead, but I don't see how that matters. Of course traditions are constantly in flux. And definitions can change. I'll have you know that steelhead fly fishers have generally accepted rods made of fiberglass and graphite as meeting fly fishing criteria. Although there are still some holdouts. I still cringe at the thought of the bonfire on the Hoh that was fed with Sage rods by keepers of the faith that rods of split cane are required for fly fishing. And fly reels with disc drags are acceptable fly tackle for nearly half the steelhead fly fishing fraternity. How's that for flux and change? Oh, and the overwhelming majority of steelhead fly fishermen approve of using fly lines coated in plastic, either PVC or urethane.
You just happen to think that the common accouterments of gear fishing, bobbers and lead or other metal weight, fall within the realm of fly tackle when everyone knows that bobbers and sinkers are the foundation of worm fishing. With conventional gear of course.
What's weird is that "conventional gear" consists of bobbers, sinkers, spinning and casting reels and their associated rods are "conventional." It's weird because fly rods, fly lines, fly fishing leaders, and flies had them beat by centuries. And fly reels by a century or more.
Oh I'd do it with a 30 dollar rod from bi mart and a 20 dollar reel.
Also an 8 wt for muskies is a really bad idea.
I did not skirt the issue. You brought up sn illogical scenario.
I brought up trout, because indicators have long been an accepted part of fly fishing for trout. Ok, long as in as long as I have been fishing (1975 I started).
I don't use bobbers, I use indicators. Some steelhead fisherman use floats. There actually is a difference. I also don't use shot, but I agree, that at some point if you are able to pick the line up and throw it out their farther than you could "cast" it because of the amount of weight you have on there, it might not be fly fishing.
Thus the reason I said plentiful up and down every system. No more worrying about the guy on the rock, when it is easy to find your own. No worry about crowding, because all the waters are open and more room is available. More steelhead would solve the problem in my opinion, because folks wouldn't be all up in each others business.
I guess that's a matter of perspective. Steelhead rivers were crowded in the 1980s. There's more anglers now, not fewer, so people are gonna' have to hunt for a rock even if steelhead were plentiful.
That's just it it's not an effective method. Not when compared to using the right gear for that presentation.
Though i never really indicator fished for steelhead i gave up nymph fishing for them because it was too easy.
Who're you? Some kind of uppity traditionalist?
Yup. I don't think they are calling bobbers out as gear fishing rather they are making a piss poor conservation argument.
They should be belittling and taunting bobber nymph fishermen. I can envision Hans and Frans calling bobber guys girly men. Something like that.
I was never a nympher.....hell, I'd rather swing a spoon than nymph.
Nymphers......just another example of why some animals eat their young.
Those post WW2 nylon slinging contraptions were made for lazy people who were too inept to learn to cast a fly rod....much like nymphers who can't learn to swing a fly.