Ballot initiative banning the harvest of any Wild Steelhead

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Nick Andrews, Nov 26, 2007.

  1. Nick Andrews

    Nick Andrews New Member

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    Curt,
    I agree with your comments and glad you have added to the discussion. I do believe that tribes should be able to take a limited amount for ceremonies as that is important to keep those cultural heritage alive. At what point do those of us sportsman and tribal exercising are right to retain fish reach the tipping point of putting a species into extinction? I would be more then willing to sacrifice targeting wild steelhead. So because I am not a member of this site that is all talk, I have paid my membership dues to the Wild Steelhead Coalition. I look forward to participating as a member. I did not write this tread to endorse such a ballot initiative, but see what could be done with the power of the voters and draw discussion to solutions to stopping the harvest of wild steelhead.


    I actually think that Washington State should close one river on the OP for ten years. No fishing, no developing, no netting, no hatchery plants and improve the habit to promote wild fishery restoration (Salmon, Steelhead and Trout. During that time study the increase or even decrease of returning wild fish. Has anything of this nature been discussed or approached?
     
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    Dead on:thumb:

    Speaking of whistlin' in the dark... what's the point of another law when the ones on the books already are sporadically enforced? :confused:
     
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    Because the tribes are a co-manager the state could not do this without the tribes signing on. I would say that that wouldn't happen.
     
  4. Nick Andrews

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    I wanted add this because it was a little upsetting to see this happening. A friend of mine in law schools husband went fishing for his bachelor party in Lewiston, ID. He nor anyone in his group fish or have any knowledge of handling rules for Wild Steelhead. They released all of these fish, but I thought that the guide would not allow such handling. I have no idea if ID has the same handling rules when releasing fish, but I would think that allowing them to be taken out of the water would be a big no, no. I was told these were all wild steelhead, but from the pictures cannot confirm this, though I was told they were all released. I was also told they all caught three or four fish a day, not bad for a bunch of drunk guys with no fishing experience.

    I have to admit I too am guilty early in my steelheading career of this, but that was prior to education of others (members of this site) and the state changing the regulations.
     
  5. Nick Andrews

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    Joe,
    I realize the tribe with rights to that river would need to sign on, but I just think such an experiment would be interesting to follow. I am also looking forward to the restoration of the Elwah system and if I were in charge I would use that river for this experiment. This would be much like what they have done around Mt. St. Helen's after the blast.
     
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    it shouldnt be a permanent law or anything, i think it should be banned where the wild steelhead are low, if there happens to be a river where the population is large enough, allow the retention of them. for now we should just stop the retention of them altogether i agree, but you never know when they might be in better population and where it would be plenty fine to fish for them.
     
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    Nick,

    As others have already mentioned, I also think a state initiative to ban the harvest of wild steelhead would be a poor idea. There simply aren't as many conservation minded voters in WA as you might wish to believe. When the Wild Steelhead Coalition sought to make wild steelhead release the WDFW's statewide policy, it provoked a viscious backlash that still hasn't died down. I do believe the time will come; actually I think the time has come and gone, but what I mean is that I think the time will come when it is politically and legally feasible to obtain such a policy and law, but that time is not now. If you hang with the WSC for a while you'll learn why. Be patient is all I can say.

    Sincerely,

    Salmo g.
     
  8. Nick Andrews

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    Salmo g,
    Let me say for the last time, I only proposed this idea as a conversation starter and do not endorse this idea as a solution, but I am glad to see that people think I am so ambitious to under take such a task. I believe that the tribes will not give up their harvest until we as sportsman make the same commitment, which might mean close some rivers to fishing for wild steelhead at all.
     
  9. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    nick, looks to me like those snake fish are all hatchery brats, definitely the first and second one, that is interesting that they were told they are wild.
     
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    the quillayute system would make a great experimental environment. the rivers in that basin are in pretty good shape right now and they still return the largest steelhead around these parts. one of the guides i spoke with indicated that for all of their efforts, the quillayute are making 20-30k/yr selling their salmon and steelhead. his idea was to just pay them in advance so they would keep their nets out of the rivers. interesting idea.

    having attended a meeting dealing with the elwha, i have to say the plan in place right now is to stock the shit out of the river once the damns come down. that includes both salmon and steelhead as the co-managers want instant returns and bucks in their harvest pockets.

    that is the state of things. the tribes are in this for the money. has nothing to do with culture or ceremonial uses of fish. all of that is a smoke screen, and one that is well done i might add, for the consumption of the general public.