Ban On Steelhead Fishing From Boats?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Bob Triggs, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. Daniel Nelson

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    looking from the outside...

    it seems you all blame others and are more prone to making some excuse or blaming another persons method for the decline in PNW steelhead. It seems a lot of you guys think your doing the right thing and when you think someone is not doing right you guys jump all over them and are quick to blame them for the reason of decline. its seems that a lot of you that really care wish to reach out to the right person to help handle this situation but yet do not do so but in return bitch and moan on this website like its really going to do a damn, this is only the internet!
    You should all blame everything and everyone for the decline and stop trying to single out one select part of the entire situation that's leading or helping in the decline.
    fishing alone is killing fish! it doesn't matter if its from a boat, shore, or wading. if your trying to catch a fish you are limiting its chance of survival to make more fish.

    if you people really love steelheading so much then STOP! Are you guys lacking the brains that much to figure this out? stop blaming commercial and tribal fishing, stop blaming boats, stop blaming it all and blame yourself. you people can not honestly say that if you have a line or net in the water that your doing any fish any good, the only thing your doing is helping yourself.
    guides......if you care so much then guide for free, prove that its not about the DOLLAR and that its about the fish! Guides do nothing but exploit fish and sacrifice their well being for some fools lack of knowledge and skill just to make a dollar. Gudies will use the simplest and easiest means to do so even if it means catching the last fish out of the last river. tools tools tools...what the fuck ever man???...no matter what tool your using your using it to cause harm and not help. you say its a ways of making a living? find another way to make a living besides being one of the reason for the decline of steelhead.
    everyone can say what they want to me and you can say it as many times as you want but if we continue to fish for steelhead we are by no means helping to rebuild what we use to have.

    all i see on this site is blame blame blame. to be perfectly honest this is mans fault! greed! greed! and greed! a lot of people fish for steelhead just because it gives you a sense of having larger balls because someone else said it was cool to catch a steelhead! you really think that wading in strong current, cold water, fishing for a fish that is supposable a bitch to catch, and telling everyone about it is actually cool? why don't you tell everyone that you went out and fished for a fish that is on the ESA, caught one and released it, and somehow explain that you caused the fish absolutely no harm and that your 10000000000% sure that the fish is still alive and will continue to spawn to make more steelhead.
    errrr....next time your on a river fishing for steelhead and you complain about the crowd and the lack or fish, realize your just another person adding to the crowd.

    no matter what, if you want steelhead to survive why don't you leave them alone all together? if you really do truly care why don't you just really do everything you can to help and just stop pursuing them? fuck what someone else says or does including the law. stop blaming the law, even if the law says its legal to fish for steelhead doesn't mean its right.

    If a steelhead could speak would they call us fisherman friends or enemies?
     
  2. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I don't believe that I have read so much about something that can't be changed. You ban boats and you take the livelyhood away from many guides. Jobs are hard enough to come by now a days.

    Does this subject come up on gear sites or is everybody just talking about it here. Flyfisherman are just a tip on a pin as far as numbers go. You need to reach more than just the few here to get anything going.
     
  3. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Daniel Nelson, I think you've nailed this one on the head with great clarity (despite your anger).

    I stopped fishing for steelhead years ago because I could see the populations in our rivers plummeting, and I just couldn't stomach chasing a fish population in such a delicate state of endangerment. It's just too bad the state hasn't clamped down on all of the many ways steelhead and salmon are pressured, as has been suggested in this thread and others. It's really sad.
     
  4. Griswald

    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    Daniel,
    I agree.

    And before everyone jumps all over the 3 of us (Lugan included)
    Think about this.

    I do not fish for steelhead for this reason. I do not fish for declining runs of salmon in the sound for this reason. Many of you know I propose the closure of the sound to fishinng for everyone for a year or two to watch what happens.

    I moved to Seattle from Kentucky in 1992. I fell in love with the fact that you could fish for blackmouth and silvers in Puget sound, I caught alot of fish and enjoyed the fishery. In the mid 1990's when I started reading about the loss of fish, the escapement issues and the fighting over who was gonna "get theirs" I quit.

    I know that most all of you love fishing and love steelhead. Sometimes we can love something to death. It is not a radical thought that has been proposed.

    Best,
    Griswald
     
  5. Ryan Nathe

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    Old Man, just because fishing from boats to put clients into fish makes their jobs easier, does not mean that they could no longer guide on foot, or take a boat from place to place and wade fish.

    Just because there is a possibility of job loss is no reason to continue exploiting the last of a resource! Should we allow the timber companies to log where ever they want because it creates jobs? Should we allow mining where ever they want because it creates jobs? I know it is tough economic times, but we shouldn't turn away from conservation proposals without considering there benefits too. This is just another example of a "I am going to get mine before it is gone" attitude. I am certainly not blaming guides and regular folks who fish from a boat as the reason to the decline. However since the stocks are obviously struggling, limiting our impact on the fishery without cutting down on the number of days you could enjoy on the river and the great outdoors this seems like a logical proposal. Everyone wants to blame everyone else, but this is something the sporting community could tackle.

    If you want to bitch and bitch about Boldt, that is fine, but to use that as an excuse to not take other conservation steps is ridiculous.

    An example: Lets say hypothetically that the Skagit rules were either going to change to it being open all of December, but that is it. You can use bait, trebbles, fish from boats, etc. Or the river could be open like it was last year, to the end of April, but fly-fisherman had to use floating lines. You could use weighted flies, but you couldn't use weighted lines. Even though it would be more difficult to catch winter steelhead this way I would surely choose this option over the one month free-for-all. maybe that is just me, but with the growing population we sportsmen will eventually have to limit our own fishing impacts (success) in order to preserve the fisheries we currently enjoy. Sure we could wait for WDFW to deal with it, but they are far more likely to close it down completely.
     
  6. The Quan

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    I would tailor that. What needs to be done is what I have suggested before. Select a certain # of rivers designated to no bait and no boats. Pick lets say 5 rivers on the west side for this and see where it goes !! See if it makes a difference over a set period of time.
     
  7. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    Lets talk about wade fishing. In wade fishing you can only go so far and then you have to go look for another place to wade fish. If boats weren't used there would be no place to wade fish becaue the land owners would close down their propery because of too much garbage left behind from all the people trying to get to one little gravel bar on the river.

    Like how about that place that was open on the main Stilly a few years ago. Because of all the garbage left behind and the fires that were built on the river bar, the farmer closed it down. It was a good place to fish for pinks from. And now that mile of gravel is closed.

    I have fished these Washington water and have seen many changes in the woods because of all the garbage being dumped there. I guess that there isn't any clean people left in this world.

    Jim
     
  8. Big Tuna

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    OMJ,
    I don't think Bob's suggestion was to ban floating down rivers in boats, it was a ban on fishing from boats. Could be wrong, but I think that was his intent.
     
  9. Ryan Nathe

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    Jim, NO ONE is proposing that you could not use your boat to get to certain runs etc. IT has been stated over and over again that this talk is about fishing from a moving boat. If it is a navigable river then you have legal access to the river below the mean high water mark. If it is not a navigable river than I doubt you would be using a BOAT to fish from on the move.
     
  10. freestoneangler

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    I smell PETA... Are you a fisherman or do you just like to participate in forums for which you don't actually partake in the activity? Sounds like you've done your part by giving up fishing, we thank you for that;)
     
  11. Griswald

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    Just to clarify FreeStone...

    I fish for SRC (alot on Vashon) and also fished for Pinks this fall. I fish a lot of lakes and rivers in Washington, Oregon, Idaho and BC...I do not have any problem with fishing or hunting at all...but as we have destroyed habitat, and the resource over the past 200 years I think it is ok to consider trying to stop that type of progress from happening again if we can.
     
  12. Daniel Nelson

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    dude i live in a state where i have to drive 3 hours to fish for GL steelhead and salmon, and the nearest trout stream is 1.5 hours away. to say the least i put around 7,000-10,000 miles on just my wifes subaru fishing this year. i have no idea how much i put on my jeep. i sleep in parking lots and under the stars in sometimes 10-20 degree minnesota weather just to afford the gas to be able to get to the fish i love to fish for. this doesnt include all the warm water fishing i do when i can't afford to fish salmonoids...oh and i live a block away from Lake Minnesota, a top ten bass and muskie lake. plus i'm still trying to catch up on the mortgage becuase i may have fished a little too much this summer, probably shouldn't have flown out to washington to fish 3 weeks ago either. i have sold all my music equipment, all my duck, goose, and upland bird hunting gear, all my old spin casting gear, and my fishing boat just to have more money to fish for the fish i love. Yes, i sold my fishing boat and bought a float tube just so i could eliminate a monthly payment to fish more, even though i now have to work alot harder to get to the better spots on the local lakes.

    so whats up now freestone? You still smelling PETA or are you smelling those bullshit thoughts coming out of your "lack of knowledge" brain. When i say "lack of knowledge" i'm not calling you stupid, im telling you to learn a little bit more about someone else before you say something about somebody that you know absolutely nothing about!

    once again this thread is about everyones thoughts on banning steelhead fishing from boats. i think that alot of things we say or do is just putting the blame on someone else and not having the balls to realize that we are part of the problem. A lot of people believe that the way they fish is the right way and that everyone else fishes the wrong way and that they are the reason or part of the reason in the decline. Once again I will say , if you are targeting a fish with a very very low population what good are you doing to help keep it around? we are essentially sucker punching or kicking the fish when its down and at its weakest.
    and like i said earlier.....if a steelhead could speak would they call us a friend or an enemy?
     
  13. Brazda

    Brazda Fly Fishing guide "The Bogy House" Lodge

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    Too Much,,,, I would love to reduce my boat use, but would have trouble getting clients into fish for some of them, you know not everybody can wade so well and swinging the fly with a spey is not for everyone. I'm sure Mr. Triggs himself will understand this.
    The idea of a statewide closure just does not seem realistic, boat builders, guides, fishermen themselves would protest somewhat. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF STRECHES OF RIVERS CLOSED TO FISHING FROM BOATS OR USE OF PERIOD.
     
  14. Brazda

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    Yea never is a strong word, just like STATEWIDE,,,did they actually tear down those dams,,,last I looked they where still there, may be by the time they are gone boats will be banned eh!
    15 or 20 maybe I'll last that long, probably need a boat to fish then,,, so I guess I'm F#@*^ed. Good to hear from you Ryan, see ya on the Met someday.
     
  15. gt

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    so, once again, go fish the big D in oregon. did you have a 'quality' experience on that river? and now, no fishing from a boat from dabney down to oxbow on the sandy. the power line crossing below oxbow used to be the demark line, now its way up river. do you suppose it will be a 'quality' experience now on the sandy?? what it does is eliminate the plug pullers from waters that are mostly, but not completely, wadable. getting on the water from dabney to oxbow without a floating device is next to impossible given the private land and very high banks. nonetheless, and for whatever reason, you now must get out and wade.

    the folks who 'can't cast' are now limited to the lower river where the plug pulling and side planning has been going on for decades now. for me, i would much prefer the upper stretches and getting out on the gravel bars and casting. and just like the big D, there are now going to be long stretches of river that are not reachable by the casting angler and as a result will, just as it has on the big D, provide sanctuary for fish from the pressure you and i can place on them.

    that is, IMHO, what this arguement is all about. boat as transport, not fishing platform. pretty simple and on at least 2 oregon rivers the law at this point. why don't you doubters take a trip south, hire a guide from the shop in welches and drive dabney to oxbow and report.

    and all you hard boat owners, i would advise you not to try this stretch of river. several very skilled and well know guides have sunk multiple hard boats in this water. it is technical and difficult unless you have been through it many, many times. i find that water to be more difficult than almost all the rapids on the big D. caution, now go have a quality fishing experience.