Ban On Steelhead Fishing From Boats?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Bob Triggs, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. the_trout_bum

    the_trout_bum ifish

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    i guide.
    i guide out of a boat.
    i guide out of a boat with clients.
    i guide out of a boat with clients that cant cast 15ft.
    i guide out of a boat with clients that cant cast 15ft and pay a lot of money for a quality day of fishing on the water.

    and if i have to utilize the use of a boat to do so, so be it. A boat is nothing more than a tool, same as waders, boots, reels, rods, flies, tippet, leaders, nets, and everything else you implement for a day riverside. get over yourselves.:beathead:
     
  2. Brett Angel

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    Thanks gt. Enough to keep me going. I think I'll contact ODFW for some more details.

    Are there any rivers in Washington with similar boat restrictions as the Deschutes?

    Trout_bums response is one of the many reasons I try not to jump to conclusions about these types of issues. He didn't say this, but we're talking about taking away a tool of his trade effectively crippling the way he currently does business.

    smc, the entire Columbia River system is getting record returns, including rivers with hatchery programs and no boat bans, so I have a hard time making that connection.
     
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    thanks brett
     
  4. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Yes, you are ignorant, and whats funny is you don't even seem to realize it. Perhaps you're an innovative interwebs troll, but I doubt it. More than likely you're self deluded into believing that you know all there is to know about steelhead issues.

    At any rate, please for your sake (and the sake of other sportsfishermen) read the Boldt decision, you'll begin to understand why I've been so harsh on you. The nets are NOT a state issue but rather one at the FEDERAL level due to the tribes being soveriegn nations. In addition, if you bothered to educate yourself, you'd learn the issue with the tribes have it's roots in the same behavior you are showing right now (yes this whole Boldt thing is about the state F'n up stuff)...

    Now back to the real point. Is there any valid reason not to support it other than the emotional desire to stick it to someone? I believe that *some* watersheds would be greatly helped by this. For instance the Sol Duc suffers from a parade of boats from dawn till dusk. I've fished it plenty of times from a boat and caught more than my share of fish. But at some point that river really needs a break. Perhaps a limit to guide traffic? Perhaps even and odd days? Either way, I do see Bob's point.
     
  5. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Actually there is a complete misunderstanding on who this ban benefits and who it doesn't. More than a few gear guys fish from shore too. The affected only include the folks who side drift from a boat, float fishermen who fish from a boat, nymphers and plug pullers. As far as I know, gear can still be chucked from shore, nymphs drifted through runs etc... Hell on the Deschutes you can still even pull plugs if you know how to set up a side planer properly. So while it is something you may object to, the benefit is NOT just for guys who swing flys.
     
  6. Brett Angel

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    My only objection at this point is mis- or ill-informed decision making and I'm not one to makes these types of issues an us vs. them.
     
  7. 1morecast

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    What I read in Bob's post is a call for help from a passionate steelhead angler, who just happens to make a living from this troubled resource. While I agree in part with his post, we do need to give the fish a break, and fishing from a boat is a VERY EFFECTIVE way to hook more fish,I do not support an across the board boat closure on rivers.
    How about certain rivers at certain times of the year? The Hoh for example, no fishing from a boat from point A to point B from say this date -that date. Another option could be limiting guided trips on certain days of the week. This is done on a couple of rivers in SW Montana.

    The bottom line is something has to done, before it is to late!!

    A message brought to you by a passionate wanna be steelhead junkie.:beer2:
     
  8. fifafu

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    James if you want to call names fine.

    You are still wrong.

    If the moderators of this board want this to be turned into a namecalling contest fine because this is the last time you call me a name without me calling you names back. So James before you call me "ignorant" or "troll" again understand that I will respond in kind.

    You can simply appologize. I will accept.
     
  9. smc

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    Brett, it would be impossible to make that connection from such broad empherical "data". I will be very interested in hearing what you learn from ODFW.

    A boat ban would not take away a guides tool/boat, although it would certainly change the way that tool is used. I imagine there were guides on the Deschutes that screamed bloody murder prior to the ban becoming law. The guides that are prospering now are the ones that adapted. Perhaps even more importantly, the clientele's expectations evolved as well.

    Would a boat ban be an effective resource management tool on particular rivers? I don't know. What strikes me though is the "fairness" issue.

    I know this thread is about banning fishing from moving boats on rivers, but how can we seriously consider this without considering the more obvious problem of bank to bank nets?

    Perhaps guys like Jason Decker and Trout_Bum would be more willing to consider tying one arm behind their back if the net guys would also tie an arm behind their back. I hope the boxing analogy makes sense here.

    Steve
     
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    fifafu, please give it a rest, anyone who has read this thread knows where you stand, and your attitude, you don't need to keep popping back in every few posts to remind us all and try to pick fights.
     
  11. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    Ban boats? No way. That would suck. I wouldn't mind seeing internal combustion motors banned on a few rivers though. Not for the fishes sake, for mine. I've come pretty close to getting hit by drunk assholes flying through shallow water in jet boats. Had my canoe flipped from it once as well.
     
  12. Brett Angel

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    smc, I'm interested to see what ODFW has to say, too. My question to them is whether the ban on boats is/was purely cosmetic or driven by science with proven results. Or some BS like that.

    You're analogy is spot on as well as your point on clientele’s expectations. After all they/we/you/everyone who puts value on catching a steelhead are the ones driving this sh*t-show.
     
  13. fifafu

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    James I finish my posts on this string with an explanation.

    As you can see this is my ninth post ever on this site. I didn't come here to troll flyfisherman. It is obvious that this toxic topic has been on the agenda before and I was not a part of it then therefore didn't understand how many time this horse has been beaten.

    I stopped fishing 15 years ago when I moved away to pursue my career in the Palm Desert, California. I learned everything I know about flyfishing from a great man named Bob Ferber. When I found out my partner and guru had fallen ill I was drawn back in to honor my firend. I built a new a rod and started fishing again. I came here to find out more about the area I live in now not get into a bickerfest. I wasn't trying to offend anyone.

    I stand by my posts but concede to being narrow minded or as some would say focused.
     
  14. gt

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    the guides on the oregon deschutes are doing quite well. they are busy almost all 12 months of the year. you see, people pay big bucks for a quality experience. just like folks will pay a fortune for a B.C. steelhead experience, it has raised the bar for the guides and the folks who want the experience. there are simply some people who, as i said, are fine with novel ideas, so long as its not 'my river, my guide service, my thinking'. unfortunately it is that level of 'non-thought' which gives the big breaks to the commercial fishery and keeps the political pressure on WDFW to maintain the status quo. and that, in turn, is why CCA will not succeed until or unless a group like this files a law suit to get the nets out as the very first step.
     
  15. Brett Angel

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    gt, if I'm understanding you correctly the bigger issue is getting everyone on the same page. I would guess that the original OP's proposal would only further separate these groups fighting for wild steelhead instead of unite them. How do you unite groups with equally passionate and opposing viewpoints? F*ck me if I know.

    I'm going fishing. gt and smc thanks for the discussion.