banning commercial fishing???

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  1. martyg

    martyg Active Member

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    Just an I had two conversations with folks running for office on the state level this fall. Both have relatives who are avid fishermen and see the logic behind the arguement.

    I am going to stay in touch with them and see if I can dig up some economic stats from the Great Lakes. If anyone has any resources, history, etc. please PM me.
     
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    So let's say commercial fishing is banned. What happens next? The powers that be increase the quota for sportfishermen, extend seasons, we all get big smiles on our faces for a couple year ... and our fish stocks continue the decline.

    I know that sounds a bit cynical, but I don't think the people that are catching the fish are the problem. It's the management of the resource that I take issue with.

    -Allen
     
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    so how is the new listing of the puget sound orca pod going to impact this? from what i have read, the major food source of this pod are salmon. i believe this listing translates into taking steps to guarantee the availablitiy of this food source. that certainly means a different look at development and runoff. i would suppose it might also mean a new look at gill netting.

    comments?
     
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    martyg Active Member

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    GT

    Interesting thought!
     
  5. polepole

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    I fear that an orca listing would mean rethinking all salmon fishing, not just gill netting. I worry that it would severely limit all user groups including sport anglers, commercial fishermen, and native american.

    The more I think about this, the more I am starting to believe that focusing on reducing/eliminating one user group is NOT a viable solution. It could just as easily go against the sportfishermen. Half the allowable salmon catch goes you know where right off the top ... what if the other half is split between incidental catches in the North Pacific and the Orcas??? And the sport fishermen and the commercial fishermen get squeezed out. I'm sort of just thinking out loud here ...

    -Allen
     
  6. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    Allen,
    The Orca listing my limit sportsmen and commercial fisherman, but I doubt it would have any effect on tribal fisheries. If you recall, the Makah tribe won the right to harvest protected Gray Whales.
    GT brings up a great point regarding this listing. It will be interesting to see how this listing plays out and it's effect on our fisheries.
    Brian
     
  7. polepole

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    Exactly my point Stonefish. I was responding partically in reponse to gt's post suggesting takeing a new look at gillnetting. But I think it means taking a look at more that just gillnetting. I don't think the Native American harvest would be touched. They'll get their half no matter what. If the rest of us now need to compete with Orca, then there is the potential that some of us get squeezed off the bottom, or at least all of us get severely squeezed.

    -Allen
     
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    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    Allen,
    No harm intended. I believe we are on the same page regarding this. Your previous post mention the following -
    "I worry that it would severely limit all user groups including sport anglers, commercial fishermen, and native american".
    I was just making the point that the Orca ESA listing could likely effect sportsmen and commercials, but not the tribes.
    Tight Lines,
    Brian
     
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    Ah yes, Stonefish. I see how my wording may have been a bit off. And yes, I think we're on the same page here.

    I do think that we need to focus on better management of the fishery itself as well as better habitat management ... meaning better science to help guide the management choices being made. Those choices leading to more fish for all the groups involved: native american, commercial, sporties, and orcas. Hopefuly, what's good for one group would be good for all groups and not focused solely on the individual.

    -Allen
     
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    An ESA listing will also affect tribal fisheries. Habitat loss, and to a lesser degree ocean harvest north of Washington play far bigger in the grand scheme of things.
     
  11. If I am not mistaken don't guide services and sport fishing charters require a commercial fishing lic. ?
     
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    I say we just let the shi@## rest for a few years...come back and see what we have,,, if it's great let's all enjoy the fruits of great fishing again.... Offcourse we'll just kill them off if we bring back the nets....
    The king salmon should be on the dollar bill..a symbol of what the mighty dollar killed off... amen Brothas
     
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    someone correct me if i am wrong about this:

    - you can still be licensed as a salmon guide in WA for inland waters
    - to legally guide on the salt, your boat also has to be licensed for salmon fishing. no additional licenses are being issued. you may, however, purchase a licensed boat or pay the seller what they ask, they are transferable.

    i believe this is correct so the netsum here is there are no new saltwater licensed operations happenning.
     
  14. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    gt; This is correct: in saltwater sports fishing charters here in Washington they are a limited entry fishery with no "new" lisences available- you have to buy a lisence from someone who already owns it.

    Freshwater Salmon guides get a lisence each year, either as a new lisence or as a renewal.

    They should create a catch and release lisence.
     
  15. Lucid Dreams of Fish

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    They should create a catch and release lisence.[/QUOTE]

    Then that needs to be for gear and fly fishers only.
    Is it not true that fish cought on bait have a greater chance of dying?