Basin Lake Report - What is it with some people?

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Mike, Mar 23, 2009.

  1. Mike

    Mike Active Member

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    Earlier I sent the Ephrata Regional office a note as well. I also sent them the photos with the license plate number. Maybe they will give the guy a call.

    From: Team Ephrata (DFW) [mailto:TeamEphrata@dfw.wa.gov]
    Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:13 PM
    To: Max
    Subject: RE: Lake

    Thank you for your concerns and contacting Team Ephrata. I have forwarded your email to our enforcement that covers Lake.

    Team Ephrata
     
  2. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    There are also planing of posts at intervals that permit small craft like Paul's pram but not vehicles. A location I find relaxing uses these at 60" wide. My new pontoon can't pass straight through because of it's side by side dual pontoon shape. I have to cant it or deflate it partially to sqeeze through. The posts are planted in sleeves and locked down. This idea should be cheaper than a gate.
     
  3. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Every time I've fished Beda I've seen
    people drive right down to the water
    and launch... Once that mud gets mushed
    down its slicker than snot.
    David
     
  4. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    I have fished the above lake and the first time I carried my boat in but after I saw someone drive right to the put in I have done the same.
    I have never seen the kind of mess you took pictures of and everyone I saw drive in was very careful not to spin a tire.
    Very sad to see this lake get abused.
    I was planning on fishing there soon, with my boat (thank goodness it's not heavy so I can walk it in, other wise I'll being the canoe.
     
  5. DKL

    DKL Nude to the board

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    I've witnessed the launch abuse as well, but I've always been more concerned with the amount of poaching that occurs at this lake. I generally visit this lake a few days every spring and always end up making a call to report poachers. I beleive this lake is to be rehabilitated this year after being postponed from last fall. Is this still the case?

    DKL
     
  6. BDD

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    I have a different spin on this subject that may be worth considering.

    I fished that particular lake on Saturday and the previous Friday. All the boat folks I saw, including myself and my fishing partner, drug our prams to the lake shore. I did see one group (Flyguide Mike) in a drift boat who rolled their boat/trailer to launch and then returned the trailer to the parking lot after launching. They completely obeyed the rules. On a different day, one party left the trailer at the launch and my partner and I questioned whether that would be considered an "unauthorized vehicle"?

    I was surprised to see the number larger boats on the water. Most folks followed the rules, which required considerable effort to get their boats in. I didn't see any wardens giving tickets but then again, I was concentrating on fishing. :thumb:

    I wonder if handicapped folks are able to obtain a special permit to drive past areas with these signs?

    Regardless, since I fish out of my pram 95% of the time when lake fishing, I'm sorry to not have more trophy rainbow managed lakes (single barbless hooks, no bait, etc.) with an actual launch. The only one I can think of in Grant/Adams counties is Dry Falls. 10 to 15 years ago belly boats/float tubes were very popular. Then kickboats appeared on the scene as people discovered the advantages of them. Now I see more boats/prams being used than ever. It would be nice to have more than one lake with an actual launch managed for trophy rainbows. I'd like to see WDFW provide access to more of these lakes. I don't mind working a bit to launch my pram but I find myself fishing lakes with more standard regulations because they have a launch readily available.

    Maybe I'll forward my response to Korth just to let him know that while I agree, many lakes should be off limits to vehicles, there are many different types of fishers and WDFW has the reponsibility to address the concerns of ALL fishers.

    And besides, no sense going back there this year anyway. Didn't you see all the winterkill fish in the shallows? The remaining fish will have been caught and released so many times by the end of the month, it won't be worth fishing.
     
  7. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    I have fished the above lake and the first time I carried my boat in but after I saw someone drive right to the put in I have done the same.
    I have never seen the kind of mess you took pictures of and everyone I saw drive in was very careful not to spin a tire.
    Very sad to see this lake get abused.
    I was planning on fishing there soon, with my boat (thank goodness it's not heavy so I can walk it in, other wise I'll being the canoe.
    ?
    Has anyone fished any of the other lakes that are out there? (longer walk)
    I like to upland hunt the area and there is a lot of water out there.
    Never have seen active fish.
    PM me if you don't want the rest of the world to know.
     
  8. flyguide

    flyguide Banned or Parked

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    Hello

    My name is Mike and I am the guide that you are talking about. And I would like to clear a few things up, First of all I am a full time fly fishing guide and I have been so for a few years now. And I would not jepordize my guide license doing anything Illegal. I never drove past the signs down to the lake, The first day we went in myself and another guide pushed the drift boat in on the sand, And that was a pain so when we left that evening I unhooked my trailer from my truck and wheeled it in by hand put the boat on the trailer and pulled it out. By hand And then the next time we were out there I unhooked the trailer and boat from the truck and wheeled it in on the trailer by hand and did so every time I was out there. the last day I was out there which was last thursday I did have 2 clients out there with me and the only reason I took them to this lake was because they were from colorado and they were fishing 3 days with me So I thought that they might like to experience something different than the yak all 3 days. And with them being from Colorado the chances that they are going to come back and fish it on their own are pretty slim. I also have 2 seperate witnesses Besides my clients that watched me drag my trailer in on that day, So I do not know who called the fish and game, but I presume it was the person that asked me if i carried the boat all the way in as I was rowing out on the lake on that day and I do remember that person asking me and if I knew that he was going to call the wdfw I guess I would have been a little more detailed when I answered him. And yes the warden did come out and talk to me. He was a very nice guy he basically said that someone called me in saying that I drove all the way back to the lake and after a brief discussion with him and explaining that the tire tracks that he saw were from my trailer. He basically said that he just needed to get both sides of the story. And he told me to have a nice day And I was not cited because I had not done anything wrong. I also wanted to say thanks to (bdd) for stepping up and saying that he saw me drag my boat and trailer in there that was cool of him. And as far as Tim Cottage saying that I would row on top of his water I do not recall that happening It is a small lake and there was alot of boats out there. But I want to personally apologize to Tim Cottage if feels that way. And lastly I just wanted to say thanks for everyone taking the time to read this. I just wanted to clear my name once and for all I was kind of getting bashed on pretty hard there for no reason. And if anyone has any questions please email me I will be happy to answer them.

    Thanks
    Mike
     
  9. Bill Dodd

    Bill Dodd Bill's in a time out.

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    Fellow Board Members: I just wanted to let everyone know I have known Mike for several years. He is an honest, hardworking, environmentally conscious individual who I have seen on many occasions picking up trash, helping others on the river and being a good guy in general. I have floated the same section of river with Mike dozens of times and he always shows good boating ethics. When Mike tells you this is the way it is, I would stake my life that this is fact! Gate or no gate, is one issue - how to handle access to the lake should not be confused with trashing this good individual's name or the shop he works for.

    Sincerely,

    Bill Dodd


    :thumb:
     
  10. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    I would love to see this thread disappear as it is in the best interest of the guide and sponsors. You know, just in case someone only reads the first page...
     
  11. Yakfish

    Yakfish Dad, Angler, Guide

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    I too guide stillwaters and rivers alike and like Mike try to always obey the rules. I've wheeled my driftboat and trailer into the lake in question and have accessed incredible fishing this year.

    I think folks need to keep their rigs behind the "No Unauthorized Vehicles Behind This Sign" postings. I've fished this lake since I was a teenager and dragging a boat or shouldering your floattube etc. has been the norm. I like the difficult access, it's likely one of the reasons this little gem fishes so well. Plus, those triploid are planted heavily at the right size for some sore shoulders and wrists. My casting and fighting arm is still sore.

    Mike, I commend your openness and wish you good fishing. As a community of fisherman, let's err on the side of tolerance moreso and support, especially for folks who during this economic situation, need all the help we can give.
     
  12. Jim Speaker

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    I was there that day and Mike's account is precisely what he told me when I asked him, "Did you drag that in here???" I thought it was kinda a weak guiding situation - on a little lake like that - but that's just my not so humble opinion and you can chuck that in the round file if ya like ;) You sure did get your clients into some fish.

    edit: chriminy i gotta finish reading your post before i babble, damn beers... i'm certainly one who asked you as I quoted above but never mentioned calling in, nor did i... just to be clear.

    Damn, the pictures earlier in this thread though of jackasses driving down in there - grrr.

    one more edit, one more thing: great email you sent Kent, 'preciate you doing that - I think [blank] lake would benefit from having some protection from both the bank erosion and the larger craft in general. It really should be a tiny pram/pontoon/tube fishery, it's small and nice.
     
  13. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    From: "Korth, Jeffrey (DFW)" <Jeffrey.Korth@dfw.wa.gov>
    To: "Kent Lufkin" <kent@xxxxxxx.com>

    Thanks, Kent. I will 1) see about a gate, and 2) try to get some enforcement down there. - Jeff
     
  14. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    Mike
    I appreciate your having the where-with-all to respond openly on a public forum. Although I do have more to say on the subject I do not think it is to anyone's advantage to do so here.
    I will respond to your PM in kind.

    TC
     
  15. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    To clarify, by agitating for a gate and stricter enforcement at [blank] Lake, I'm not trying to rain on Mike's or any individual's personal parade. I'm sure Mike's a nice guy in person.

    But the simple fact is that when other fishers on [blank] Lake see someone zipping around warm and dry in a drift boat, it's an easy thing for some to connect the dots and then bring their own drift boats next time instead of freezing their ass off a float tube or pontoon. Whether or not they drive through the gate or push their trailer in and out, it's wheels on the shoreline that cause the damage, motorized or not.

    To point out the obvious, there's no paved boat launch at [blank] Lake. More wheels equals more damage.

    K