Ben Howard Pit Bull

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Matt Smith, Jan 18, 2009.

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  1. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    yeah, it is much scarier when my dad walks up to me while i'm fishing than an untagged, unleashed pitbull:beathead: I agree that the owner has alot to do with it, but there is also a reason they get the bad wrap. There was also a reason Michael Vick was raising pitbulls over labs and poodles.
     
  2. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    hehe, Hard to argue with common sense. I agree Jergens I agree.
     
  3. sothereiwas

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    Ignorance is bliss ladies, enjoy your bubble
     
  4. yellowlab

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    Man, this is gonna get alot of mileage. Sounds like there is some parallelism between between a pitbull and the gun debate. Its all up to the person/owner behind the trigger/dog, IMO. Some breeds are more prone to bite than others, I think the reason why 50% of the bites come from Pitts is because of that 3%, there is a high probable number of dogs used for illegal fighting.

    My cousin is a vet and she loves pitts and she has several of them when people dump these dogs because they have no value in the dog fighting world, SAD. They do get a bad rap, I agree, but its up to the owner to properly socialize, train ANY dog, whether its a Pitt bull or a Lab.

    A friend of mine also owns a Pitt, one day she was attacked by an off leash mixed breed and messed her up as well as her dog. Her dog was not to blame and to this day she carries a stun gun, not for her dog that gets out of control, but for any other dogs that might provoke a biting incident.

    Choose your medicine, pick you sides... As with any dogs and young kids you have to be careful, unless you absolutely 100% know the dog. I was always told from a young age never to pet any strange dog when they're nursing or especially eating.
     
  5. TallFlyGuy

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    I'm sure the people in all the cities that have banned Pitts are in the same ignorance as we are. You can't blame the owners for all the bad crap and stigma there is out there for pitts. Yes.. Ignorance is bliss....Now calling us ladies...That's a low blow
     
  6. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast Bigfoot is blurry

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    What are some good patterns for Pitt River bull trout? Thinking about fishing for Pitt bulls.
     
  7. Citori

    Citori Piscatorial Engineer

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    I offer my own personal experience for your consideration. I was accosted in my own yard by my neighbor's off leash pit bull. I was unharmed, but shaken by the incident. I went over to talk to the neighbor about it, he told me to go to hell and slammed the door in my face. I filed a complaint with King Co. animal control who took the report - end of conversation. I went to my local police dept. to inquire about what action to take in the future. I am a pet owner and am as concerned for the safety of my dog as I am for myself and the lady I live with. The police told me to shoot the dog if it came on my proerty. I told him I didn't want to shoot the animal, and if I did, they would no doubt confiscate my sidearm. He gave me his card and told me to call him, that he liked to shoot them and did so every time he got a chance.

    While pit bulls were bred to kill, the temperament of individual animals can be variable. My city has a dangerous dog ordinance which speaks to Pit Bull terriers in specific along with a few other breeds. I have no issue with the dog unless and until it harms me, my family or my dog. However, by then it will be too late. I do have a problem with the dog's owner, for which I have no remedy. I still probably won't shoot the dog if it accosts/attacks me again, but I will avail myself of the full remedies allowed by law. While one hopes for the best, one must also be prepared for other than the best. In this case, being prepared has few good options.

    Personally, I don't like pit bulls in any situation. Many reports from owners of pit bulls who have attacked say that their dog was always well mannered and had not shown aggressive behavior before. I have no other comment in this case. For me, the pit bull's presence would present me significant impairment to my fishing experience, and likely cause me to seek other recreational opportunities and location.
     
  8. YAKIMA

    YAKIMA AKA: Gregory Mine

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    So, has anyone been fishing ?????
     
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    You can always tell someone who is losing their arse in an intelligent debate...they resort to name-calling.
     
  10. Tim Lockhart

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    OK ladies and gents...time for everyone's favorite daytime tv game show!!! "Dog Or Human...Whose To Blame?!?"

    Let's start the game:

    1. Breeding of PB's for the sake of killing.....dog or human?
    2. Laws that allow possession/ownership of a potentially dangerous breed.....dog or human?
    3. Laws that allow off lead public dwelling of a potentially dangerous breed.....dog or human?
    4. The fact that it's a potentially dangerous breed.....(oh, guess #1 covered that)
    5. Dangerous pair of PB's gain access to infant.....dog or human? C'mon use that noodle...the questions are getting more difficult.
    6. You step in dogshit while out for a Sunday stroll.....dog or human?
    7. Neighbor's pesky pup keeps you up all night from nonstop barking/howling.....dog or human?
    8. You and your poodle are out for a nice Sunday stroll when, from out of nowhere, a very large male PB sprints up, grabs said poodle by the face, shakes violently and swallows the appetizer whole.....dog or human?
    9. Pit Bulls suck.....dog or human?
    10. Bonus Question (---triple point score value---): You and your poodle are out for a nice Sunday stroll when, from out of nowhere, my car races up, runs you and your poodle over (you both die), and speeds off.....car or human?

    Is this really that hard to understand?
     
  11. sothereiwas

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    There is no point in arguing. They dont even properly read the statistics they post. Pit bulls dont cause 50% of all dog bites. They cause 50% of serious attack. The criteria of which is not in print. They dont bite and run off. The breed when threatened does not back down. They dont feel pain. They fear nothing. They are not going to put 2 puncture wounds in you hand, if provoked they will tear your arm off. This speaks to their ability to inflict damage not there temperment.

    They arent by nature aggressive. Dogs act out for three reasons, lack of exersize, lack of socialization, and in the defense of their owner.

    The thing that most people dont understand when they get a pit bull is that they require a specific type of owner. They have to be exercised daily. Walking a dog exercises their body and their mind. Pit bulls are a breed of dog raised to work. Without enough exercise they become frustrated. They have to be socialized often. They cant be kept pinned up in the house. They need to interact with people outside the house along with guest coming and going.

    It really comes down to the owner. I believe that pit bulls should only be owned by dedicated dog owners who have the time to do what is necessary to raise them in a healthy environment. The unfortunate fact is that a lot of these dogs are owned by these wanna be gangbanger retards that purchase them because they think its cool. Its a symbol of power. They chain them to a tree and dont exercise them they dont properly socialize them. I would be willing to bet that they encourage aggresive behavior because they think its cool. These are the dogs that end up on the news.

    Bottom line is that these dogs have the potential to inflict a lot of damage. People need to understand and assume the responsibilty that comes along with owning a breed like this.

    They are not for everyone.

    I apoligize for the ladies comment. Not one of my most mature moments.

    Brad
     
  12. Ryan Buccola

    Ryan Buccola I ain't broke but brother I am badly bent

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    Brad,

    Thanks for the clarification. I think we all understand that it may not be the dog, but the owner, who is fucked up. The problem is when the animal acts out, at that point it doesn't make a difference. When the animal attacks (whatever the animal, not just dogs) it becomes the problem of the person that is being attacked and if an animal does not feel pain, does not back down and has the ability to tear your arm off and kill anything it attacks...then it's time to shoot
     
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    That is the unfortunate reality, and I completely agree.
     
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    I prefer fighting pit bulls with nothing less than a 12wt and 350 yards of 50# backing.
     
  15. sothereiwas

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    They put up a hell of a fight on an Echo practice rod :rofl:
     
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