Blackmouth

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by MasterAnglerTaylor, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. Richard E

    Richard E Active Member

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    With a handle like "MasterAnglerTaylor", shouldn't you be the one giving out the advice on how to catch blackmouth? ;)

    Blackmouth for me have been a bycatch when I've been fishing for coho and searuns. As someone else noted, in some ways they are more rare than steelhead.

    I'll never forget, though, once fishing with 3 buddies from a beach in the South Sound. A local I'll call John came down to the beach and started fishing near me. During our casting and stripping, I asked him how he had been doing; he looked around to see if anyone else might be listening, and quietly told me "yesterday, 20 casts, 20 fish". They were resident coho, with a couple of blackmouth. I of course called bullsh_t, and then asked him how he did it and what he was using. When he told me how, I responded with a 'why'? He replied with a quick 'Because', to which I immediately responded with another quick 'but why'?, when he then set the hook with a big grin and said "that's why". About ten minutes later he landed about an 8 pound blackmouth. :eek::eek:

    Nothing like putting your money where your mouth is. :thumb:
     
  2. MasterAnglerTaylor

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    I was waiting for someone to say that to me. Haha
     
  3. Smalma

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    I have to wonder if we really want to be targeting those sub legal blackmouth (baby Chinook).

    It makes less sense to me than targeting steelhead smolts in the river. Ever time that comes up folks are beaten severely about the head. Both the steelhead smolts and shaker chinook are a couple years from being adult fish and the hooking/handling mortality on the Chinook is much higher than what we expect to see with the steelhead smolts. The commonly applied hooking mortality assigned to "shaker" Chinook is in the 20% range. Given the fragile nature of those fish I sure that the mortality on fly gear is much higher than many would be comfortable with.

    Would it be better to take those fishing impact hits when the fish are older and larger?

    Tight lines
    Curt
     
  4. Saltman

    Saltman "Just Fish!"

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    The blackmouth are there, and catchable from the beach this time of year. We caught 4 last Sunday in the 6-8 lb range. All were hatchery fish. 4", light colored, weighted streamers work the best. Use your weighted lines and flies this time of year. Do try to fish as much current as possible, and look for drop offs. Sun or clouds doesn't seem to matter much if you are on the x. Good luck!!!
     
  5. Les Johnson

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    I have fished over a lot of feeding blackmouth (chinook) salmon during the past thirty years from se Alaska to Puget Sound. My partner, Bruce Ferguson was with me on most of thes junkets and also did well on salmon that ranged from probably 4 to more than 25 pounds -- all taken on cast flies while they were actively feeding. I'm not including estuary chinook here as they have stopped feeding and are a very different animal once the fresh water has hit their system.
    Feeding chinook are, for the fly-fisherman, very definately a dawn and dark quarry. They tend to be shy. We generally found them over thirty foot bottoms and along kelp beds. They were all taken on a deep sinking line and bait-imitating flies. Ferguson almost always used a 4-inch Waslick Seabait. My go-to fly was (and remains)t Mark Mandell's Calamarko squid pattern, a 4-incher tied on a weighted tube and laced with Everglow Flashabou. The Calamarko is in the book, "Tube Flies" and will also appear in the new forthcoming salmon book. I use this pattern right on down to number 6s tied on hooks.
    This is not to say that we've never taken chinook through the day but that old early and late rule has nearly always been successful. Incidentally, Jim Darden, the Bellingham angler who fished lead core heads and timed his drops with a stop-watch took a lot of chinook from the Bellingham area back when we wrote about his exploits in 1985.
    Cheers,
    Les Johnson
     
  6. MasterAnglerTaylor

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    Alright alot of good info. I actually was bored other day and stopped by barnes and noble to read up on your costal cutt book. I gained a fair amount of actualy useful info.

    All i got is an old 6/7 weight with floating, and my new 8 with rio tip. Should i be alright with one of the tips and a shock and awe with some glow flash?

    Looked at tides and thinking end of next week might give us perfect tides and time to give this a shot.
     
  7. gigharborflyfisher

    gigharborflyfisher Native Trout Hunter

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    I managed to catch one tonight, and the glow in the dark shock and awe seemed to be the ticket like usual.
     
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    Thats encouraging. I have summoned my fly making slave to tie up some of those so we can get out there :)

    Thanks for report
     
  9. Steven Green

    Steven Green Hood Canal Pirate

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    hey asshole now you don't get to use any flies until you get off your lazy ass and learn to tie some. Have fun watchin me catch all the fish biiiiiiiitch. :beer2:

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    we both know your an asshole but just buy the damn book instead of reading it at barnes and noble, especially when you talk to the author ha ha:thumb:
     
  10. MasterAnglerTaylor

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    lol hey....i will deal with you later....and i dont wanna spend money

    P.S.

    WE DONT CATCH FISH....
     
  11. Les Johnson

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    ....a fair amount of actual useful information......Sort of damning with faint praise. However since you were extrapolating from information in a cutthroat book to be used for blackmouth, I guess I should feel honored to garner such an accolade. Maybe it was all of the color photos that did the trick.
    Les Johnson
     
  12. Richard E

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    :thumb:Now, that is funny! Nicely done. ;)
     
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    Well i read it for the src part but i guess some parts could be applied to blackmouth. Whatever good overall content.

    Color pictures always lure me in:thumb:
     
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    Hehehe....my thoughts exactly. :)
     
  15. A+Town Angler

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    i fish for them out with my grandpa and we use flashers with green quid on the end.


    my grandpa lives on camano Is