Blue..... the new purple??

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Panhandle, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    Mumbles, relax. Pan I think a Gerry Garcia fly would be pretty cool. What basic colors would we start with? Duff
     
  2. Mulligan

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    Man, the colors in Pan's JG avatar would be the tits. Nothing ground breaking (hard to do that these days), but black, purple, blue, white would look real nice together.
     
  3. Kevin Giusti

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    Fly color, presentation, water conditions, blue black purple orange or red? Ah you gotta love steelheading and talk of flies. The cool thing is that this debate over fly colors and such will probably go on until the end of time. And old Mr. and Mrs. Steelhead will continue to do there part in keeping these conversations alive and well. Everyones gonna have there own thoughts and preferences and I think that is great. So heres a couple of mine. Ive noticed many a steelhead picture lately with a blue fly hanging out of the corner of its mouth. And Im sure alot of others have also. So obviously a blue fly works. But then theres that factor of rumor going round that "hey man blue is hot@!" So youve got a large percentage of people using a blue fly. Well then the odds are probably gonna go up that the numbers of steelhead caught are probably gonna be on ...... yes a blue fly! I definatly have my color preferences and this is dictated by water conditions and through my own experiences on the river and what has worked for me in the past. I highly agree that a good presentation is of the utmost importance. I dont care what color fly youve got on if it isnt presented well you probably aint gonna catch squat! And when the time comes to change flies, if Im using a big blue intruder style fly and Im just not feeling it, I dont switch to a big orange intruder stlye fly. Instead Ill happily stick with the same color but Ill throw on a fly that creates a different outline or produces a different type of action in the water. Anyways to each his own. Now I think Im gonna go sit down and tie up some blue flies. Seems to be a good color of late :cool:. Oh yeah and the Garcia fly. Id say it would have to be something big and fat and green! And when you look at it you just think, "that fly is SMOKIN'!" ptyd Kevin
     
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    Like Leland, I found the Blue Charm to be a very good summer/fall steelhead fly, including when tied as a true low-water fly. I've used the Silver Blue (tied with teal wing as originally done for Atlantic Salmon) to be exceptional during the mid-day doldrums on bright sunny days. It also works fine tied as a true low-water fly. A few years ago I tied a few of Art Lee's Stardust on #6 Bob Ververka Classic Salmon Hooks (this is the same as Alec Jackson's River Dee Low-water Hook) and found it to be a good late evening fly with its dark, midnight blue hackle.
     
  5. Nooksack Mac

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    Speaking of... let me describe a fly that's been my standard for steelhead fishing in the winter/spring season for almost a decade; that is, I fish it about half the time then. An orange pheasant crest tail, yellow butt, dubbed sparkly purple body; underwing of blue squirrel (for some stiffness), topped by blue, then purple, then black maribou; throat hackle of blue guinea. I call it the Winter Solstice.

    It's just a mostly black maribou that shows flashes of complimentary colors. Materials could be combined in 97 different ways to produce a fly that would look essentially the same to a steelhead. I can't say that it's more productive than anything else, but it's a confidence fly to me.:rolleyes:
     
  6. Panhandle

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    Coach, if you close your eyes and use your psychedelic imagination, you can see it.

    Orange, purple, red, chartreuse, crystal flash, purple.......ahhhh, I already said that one, a little drippy blue, iridescent lavender, moon beams ...some weird bird eyes...... whoa!!!!!!! I'm having a flash back bro. :eek: I have to go sit down.
     
  7. Ed Call

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    Nooksack Mac, how about a photo of that Winter Solstice? Your description is great, but I'd like to see a photo to get a visual and proportions. Thanks.
     
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    Tommie Darling tied a beauty of a blue steelhead fly in one of those Northwest Fly Pattern Books. Somebody (Preston, Salmo, Kurt, Les, Leland?) might remember the one I'm talking about. By the way Pan, I used my psychedelic "imagination" about 300 times in my youth and the tracers I see at age 40 in broad daylight might be the aftershocks.:D Coach
     
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    Mumbles, sorry, but I don't do even chemical photography any more, much less electronic imaging. I don't even own a cell phone.
     
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    Mac, despite you not being able to show me the fly, hearing that you are technologically NOT advanced makes me like you even more. I resisted getting a cell phone for years and now I've become one of those gadget geeks I use to poke fun at.
     
  11. Will Atlas

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    Leland and others fishing Blue Charms, what sizes do you like? I've tied some on size 8 7999s and they look pretty good, albeit fairly tiny. This time of year it always takes me a while to warm up to the tiny flies. They work so well, but after a winter of hucking 3 inch intruders and bunny leaches it takes some getting used to. The blue charms I've been tying have a yellow butt, with a golden pheasant crest tail, a thin body dubbed with sythetic seal and fine silver tinsel rib, a kingfisher blue throat and a natural squirrel tail wing. I usually just palmer the hackles for my hairwings but for the classic salmon flies I like the appeal of tying the barbs in at the throat.

    Will
     
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    Presentation, profile/size, color.
     
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    Totally agree KerryS.
     
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    Will,

    I use them tied on regular wire salmon irons in #4 early in the summer until the water starts to drop toward the summer low. Then I switch to #6-#8 Ververka Clasic Salmon Hook (Alec Jackson River Dee Low-water hook is the same hook with different size numbers #7-#9, the Daiichi 2131). When the water first starts to drop in July, I use flies tied full shank length on the low-water hooks; but when the water is down close to the normal summer low in mid-late July (most years anyway), I switch to true low-water flies (e.i. the body is not longer than 1/2 shank producing a fly that is several sizes smaller on the larger gapped, light wire hook for better hooking) tied on these low-water hooks. I always tied my Blue Charms with the classic featherwing of either bronze mallard or wild turkey tail with teal overlaid on the top 1/3 of the wing.
     
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    Here's another rumer! Use the color that has been most productive for you in the past.... sorry if I have affended anybody?

    Good luck.