Bucktailing

Chris Bellows

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#16
It always makes me scratch my head when flyfishermen pull in their lines when they move from spot to spot looking for baitballs, birds and surface crashers. Just keep your line in the water and drag that fly. The surprise hits can rip your arms from their sockets.
running at trolling speed from spot to spot can be excruciatingly slow. i would rather run at 15-20 knots to the birds and/or tide rip in the distance than go 3-5 knots. the people who actually fly fish out at neah bay know that any wasted time equals less fish as good tide rips will eventually disappear as well as bait balls. quick, fast re-sets result in more fish on the line when fly fishing at neah bay and everywhere else i've cast flies for salmon... even kayaking.
 

Randy Lindahl

Paintin' or Fishin'
#17
I have an 8' Livingston that I take out every now and then to row around a little. When I'm on my way out and in I'll throw my fly out the back about 10' into the small stream of bubbles created by my rowing. It is great to watch the surface action with an occasional hit and a lot of misses. Most are very small coho although I have caught some nice ones that way. It's all good...I love this time of year!
 

joellirot

Active Member
#18
This sounds a LOT like how we fish for tuna in San Diego. You drag feathers just behind the prop wash. Usually around the 2nd wake or so.

I'll never forget the time my buddy and I were daydreaming watching the feathers bouncing around behind the boat - it can get a little boring... - when a marlin sticks his head up out of the water right between the feathers just to see what was going on. Remember, this was maybe 30' from the stern of the boat! He didn't take one but it sure was fun to see.

And looking for fishy spots and throwing flies (or iron in SD) is tons of fun. If you see bait balls, working birds, boiling fish, etc, you chase them down - run and gun. One of the most fun ways to fish in my opinion - when they're hot anyway.
 

DennisE

Topwater and tying.
#19
Just a thought on patterns. People talking about the motion of the fly back and forth made me think of Roger's sequin tube fly. I know on the strip that thing does a lot of darting back and forth. Maybe an adaptation would work on a bucktail/streamer? Probably with a bigger sequin?
Sounds like an experiment worth making.
 

Jeff Dodd

Active Member
#20
Just a thought on patterns. People talking about the motion of the fly back and forth made me think of Roger's sequin tube fly. I know on the strip that thing does a lot of darting back and forth. Maybe an adaptation would work on a bucktail/streamer? Probably with a bigger sequin?
Sounds like an experiment worth making.
Dennis. This idea crossed my mind also but I noticed if you position your fly right you get a lot of action from the bubbling, churning water.
 

Dipnet

The wanted posters say Tim Hartman
#21
The propwash is exactly what attracts them TO the boat. They look up and see a foaming, moving mass of bubbles on the surface. They think it is a school of baitfish being attacked and they come up to investigate.
Yeah, I remember the summer I spent as crew, commercial fishing out of Neah Bay back in the '60s.

We'd be far out on the "prairie" (the area southwest of Tatoosh) and my new-to-the-game skipper was told by the old-timers to always troll through the disturbed waters after a freighter passed through.

We usually found the hand-gurdies bouncing after doing that! :)
 

Mingo

the Menehune stole my beer
#22
running at trolling speed from spot to spot can be excruciatingly slow. i would rather run at 15-20 knots to the birds and/or tide rip in the distance than go 3-5 knots. the people who actually fly fish out at neah bay know that any wasted time equals less fish as good tide rips will eventually disappear as well as bait balls. quick, fast re-sets result in more fish on the line when fly fishing at neah bay and everywhere else i've cast flies for salmon... even kayaking.
If your boat won't go 20 knots, you go as fast as you can ;) sometimes "as fast as you can" is perfect bucktailing speed :)
 

Joepa

Joe from PA
#23
skipper was told by the old-timers to always troll through the disturbed waters after a freighter passed through
That's a good tip. I'll keep that in mind when fishing is slow. I've heard radio reports of guys referring to the 'prairie' . Is that the basic area around blue dot or further west? Thanks
 

mbowers

Active Member
#24
We'd be far out on the "prairie" (the area southwest of Tatoosh) and my new-to-the-game skipper was told by the old-timers to always troll through the disturbed waters after a freighter passed through.

We usually found the hand-gurdies bouncing after doing that! :)
I've had birds follow the flats boat around when we're running (usually at least 25mph) from spot to spot with no lines out. I used to think they were waiting for us to start fishing again and that they left when they saw us throwing flies and not bait. Since seeing them dive down into the wake to pick things up makes me now think they wait for us to start moving and then follow us looking for the boat to suck up and stun / kill a baitfish in the prop wake. When we stop moving we stop making a chum trail for them and they fly off..
Same thing probably happens to an even greater extent with a freighter leaving a bigger trail of easy prey sea life behind it.. :)
 

Dipnet

The wanted posters say Tim Hartman
#25
That's a good tip. I'll keep that in mind when fishing is slow. I've heard radio reports of guys referring to the 'prairie' . Is that the basic area around blue dot or further west? Thanks
Although this was many years ago, IIRC the prairie was SW of Tatoosh and around 30 or so miles out.
 
#26
Bucktailing, as I know it, uses a spinner blade on a clevis in front of the fly. Beads are used so that the end of the blade revolves through the eye on the fly. There's some 'hokus pokus' about the colours of the beads - from glow green, to red, to silver, but the blade is always supposed to travel through the centre of the eye.
In Tofino we trolled the fly about 15' to 20' back in the propwash on a short (3') leader off of an Airflo Depthfinder 300. Speed was adjusted to have the fly just in the surface to keep the blade wet and rotating.
 

mbowers

Active Member
#27

Here's my attempt at a more weedless bucktail. A SS cotter pin is used for the shank and weight with lead wire strips lashed to the bottom of the shank only. The 60deg jig hook style shape to the cotter pin at the front should deflect weeds downwards. The stiff braided wire to the upright trailing hook should keep the only hook bend on the fly higher in the water and further away from that deflected weed. The bend in the shank with the bottom weighting should also make for more of a keel and keep the fly tracking straight with less spinning. Seemed to work well for me on a trial run but since there weren't any visible coho around I wasn't going to try it all day. Would love some feedback on performance from anyone else that ties some up.