Burkie owners...

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by golfman65, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. JGS

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    Golfman,

    You purchased two of my MKS rods - I think you might have offed the bigger 13'6" think you still have the 13'0" 6/7. I sold the MKS rods as I thought they bombed line but lacked a certain 'feel' in the tip. It's as if they use a heavier tip section than needed for the line rating - thus generating that full-flexing action. I just didn't did the feel of a 6/7 although I could chuck endless amounts of line.

    What I decided in the end is that I wanted much more feel from a 6/7. I ended up with a Burk 7134! I love the feel and don't necessarily considered it a 'fast rod'. Fast graphite - sure, but a delicate tip and full flexing. I actually find that I cast it best when I slow way down, left the rod do the work and not overpower the forward stroke.

    I found I could really hammer the MKS with no ill-effects. Definitely a nice feature as I occasionally blow up a cast with the 7134. At times I miss the MKS rods for their sheer casting ability but much prefer my current Burk 7134 for overall 'fishability'
     
  2. golfman65

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    Yeah jg...those were I believe the nz. blanks the new ones don't have that tip heavy feel but perform about the same..

    I think you may be right, the MKS does seem to forgive your poor casts a bit better..

    R.Allen...bud your just flat out wrong!!!! Talk with the guys at burkie..or the shops etc. that fish it...I tend to prefer the lighter heads or at least IMO what are the lighter end of the grain window as I am better at casting from the tip of the rod....The 570 came highly recommended and does not disappoint...the time may come when I prefer the 540 on there..but it was a noticeable improvement with the 570....Normally when I hear someone say they like a heavier head on a rod that I feel is way too heavy...I believe it's bacause they are crappy casters and are using that heavy weight to compensate..the downside is you loose distance but for them they aren't going to reach that distance anyway...
    I would say i'm at the 120' cast range now and with warmer weather, and a mono running line could go another 10-15' if I can find the correct stop point...

    Rob, I would like to know what set up you have on yours though? Do you own and fish a 7134-4 or are you just blowing smoke? If you do and are using the 540 I would like to know your set up..

    All that said...I am really starting to like this rod...I have a couple tackle issues to deal with that I think will improve it even more...but it seems If I keep my top hand tucked tight and smooth the bottom hand more...the thing scoots...I was even single speying the 570 with type 3 tip and 2" fly out 15+ strips with tight loops...that's about all I got as the guides were freezing up again and I didn't need to throw it any further...

    I've been running the .038 rio running line on the this and my other rods recently. I've used mono for what seems forever.....I wanted to throttle back on seeing how far I can cast everything and get back to fishing it...I am going to try the .030 rio though tomorrow as IMHO the major effect on the tightness of my loops seems to be trying to drag that thick of a running line off a slow current river...When it warms up I will try some varivas on there..could be scary

    Salmo...the 7/8 delta huh?....I think I have a few guidelines both dry and ddc sitting around here so I'll check that out and see If I can come up something, chopped or not, in that range....interesting..that could be an ultimate summer run set up...

    All I can say right now is....The wow factor is there...the frustration is knowing that it can do so much more....but then having to stop and think....Fuck, I've got twenty strips out...big loops in each finger and I'm complaining???

    The
     
  3. Matthew Gulbranson

    Matthew Gulbranson Resident Swinger

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    I agree with you there. 20 strips? I wouldn't be complaining! I just enjoy the ease of fishing a two hander with much less than that.
     
  4. fisshman26

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    uuuummmmmm Golfman........Rob Allen works for Kerry so might have a little bit of insight into the rods!!! :rofl:
     
  5. Big Tuna

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    Ooops.
     
  6. TrevorH

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    Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Rob is, or at least was, one of the guys at burkie...

    I own the 7134 and the 12'6" 7/8 MKS. They are my winter skagit rods. I've also spent some time casting the 13' and 13'6" 7/8 MKS.

    As far as ease of casting goes, I find my MKS makes a good Skagity auto-caster at around 680-700 total(belly + tip) grains. I get decent feedback from the rod on Edgit-style (continuous motion) doubles, yet with it's strong tip, I can still do singles without feeling like I'm abusing the rod. I find I able to load the rod from the butt section using the lower hand pretty consistently, and tend to think in terms of it's low flex being fairly accessible. I find the low flex in my Burkie to be less accessible, but a bit more capable. A 540 + 12' of t-14 (~710 grains) is about where I begin to get a skagity, auto-caster feel out of the rod. Much below 680 total grains and I find myself wanting to unload the rod into the d-loop and reload on the forward stroke. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a different feel, and I sometimes start wishing for even less grains, so I could quit trying to maximally pre-load the rod before the forward stroke, and show the rod's tip the respect it deserves.

    I like the MKS on high-banks and with large flies. The strong tip gets it done when obstructions force you to work off of lower-energy d-loops, and it doesn't flinch when it breaks a leech out of the water. My go-to Sauk rod.

    I like the Burkie on the Skagit for it's increased range, but it challenges me a bit. Keeping a load on the rod, and loading the rod from the butt first using opposition between hands is a little trickier, because she wants to recover faster. I tend to use <4" flies and a sportier stroke on the burkie.

    They are both fantastic rods. I'm a long ways from uncovering their potential.
     
  7. stewart dee

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    You were casting it like this guy...
     
  8. Salmo Trutta

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    Rob is probably the most knowledgeable associate in Kerry's staff. I believe he tents to steer toward a lower/mid range of grain window of any of Burkheimer rods.
     
  9. Salmo Trutta

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    Any rod should be judge not only based on how it cast Skagit set-up, but also how it cast and feels with a different lines and fly size ( Scandi, short-mid belly) at short or long distance, how it mends and fish.
    For short/mid range, when fishing with limited backcast, it is noting wrong to overload rod a bit to facilitate a cast and let rod do more work for an angler.
     
  10. golfman65

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    hmm wonder if he's the one I talked to and was no help? funny as I had to call the shop I got the rod from and ask them again about their recommendations... Again, tried both, had another guy try both...like the 570 quite a bit more...

    guess no burkie swag will be coming my way anytime soon huh?

    shhhhheeeeiiiiitttttt.......
     
  11. Ed Call

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    Golfman, need my address? I've got room for a burkie in the quiver and I'm too stupid to know if I'm doing it right...but I don't care!
     
  12. Rob Allen

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    Enjoy the Rod Golfman i hope it catches you lots of fish.
     
  13. Big K1

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    Good advice! I picked up my first Burkie 7 or 8 years ago and never looked back!!! I sold all non Burkies and replaced them with pure casting and fishing goodness!:thumb:
     
  14. golfman65

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    Thank you...I appreciate that!!!