" Buy a shot gun"

#16
Tell me when it went from jovial to truly political.
Obviously, it was when I went off subject and exposed myself as a semi-flaming liberal that gets physically ill anytime I hear or see Bush, as opposed to Cheney where I just get afraid for our country. I did send an IM to Ed, contents of which are between us. Roper summed it up perfectly and my political commentaries are now and forever in the distant past. Those who ignore history are condemmed to relive it.....or something like that
 

Roper

Idiot Savant
#17
I look at it somewhat like this, " those who rise above history are destined to improve it..." Resentments, particularly those for folks we don't even know/meet, are only detrimental to ourselves and do nothing to lift ourselves up. BTW, jumping into water can quench those "flames"...go fishing.
 
#18
I look at it somewhat like this, " those who rise above history are destined to improve it..." Resentments, particularly those for folks we don't even know/meet, are only detrimental to ourselves and do nothing to lift ourselves up. BTW, jumping into water can quench those "flames"...go fishing.
Those same 'flames' are also used defending my right to hunt[archery], the 2nd. amendment, my right to bear arms[which I do most times] and if need be, use some douche for target practice that deserves it.
 

plaegreid

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus
#19
Not to get involved in the flame war/shit-storm that may or may not be occurring in regards to political ass-hattery, but this video makes me shake my head. Some people should not be allowed to teach other people to shoot. Poor stances, severe lack of ear/eye protection, matching tiny people to large guns with hot loads, etc. The people behind the camera should be more ashamed than the people trying to shoot. The girl with the AR seemed to have a good instructor.
 

The T.O. Show

Buenos Hatches Ese
#25
Video was funny... But I will play devil's advocate because I'm just so good at it ;)

Ol' Joe Biden just barely missed the mark.... A short barrel pump action shotgun is the best home defense weapon you can have. OO buck shot will stop ANY intruder, short of someone wearing serious body armor. The sound of racking the slide on a pump shotgun is more intimidating than any other firearm. They are easy to use with little instruction despite what that video showed. Apparently someone told all those girls to shoot from the hip and throw the weapon on the ground as soon as they pull the trigger. Most defensive shotguns will hold 7 or 8 rounds in the tube which is plenty, and you can constantly replace the rounds you are cycling through. You don't need the range that an AR provides while inside your home, and the ability of the round to travel far beyond your target can be dangerous. And you can buy some solid defensive shotguns in the $300 range. You aren't even in the AR conversation at $300. My conclusion = compared to a defensive shotgun, an AR is a horrible choice for home defense. So listen to ol' droopy dog Joe and go buy a shotgun!
 
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Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#26
well, yes and no, both: scatterguns aren't all that easy for a small lady to handle, given the recoil, and especially with heavy loads like double O and slugs. Much more accurate with an AR-type platform. But, you're absolutely correct on the issue of velocity and range! We have `em both, along with assorted pistols and revolvers. We used to use flechette rounds frequently in the jungle, and every now and again, I see these things on the shelf, too. close range and some really nasty shit-make you into a pincushion like RIGHT NOW!!! But they didn't have the recoil of the double-O.
 
#28
NRA once did an article on alternative rounds for the 12ga pump gun and the damage they would do at close range. Std 2-3/4" 00 buck has (I think) 9 .30cal pellets. Go to 3" mag shells you get 12 .30 cal pellets. There are other interesting loads as well. Like (one) 0 buck or just plain buck shot. Smaller pellets, but a lot more of them. These are also available in six packs, rather than having to purchase a full box. And then there are 1-1/8 oz rifled slugs. These are some serious shit! So, what exactly are these "fleshet rounds" and where can we get them? :)
 

freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
#30
Re-read the totality of the content. Tell me when it went from jovial to truly political...call me Captain Obvious on that one. We allow some latitude but a few characters push until content gets reported. We should all understand where to draw the line.
That's bullshit... I hadn't even weighed in on this target rich discussion. You didn't call me out by name, but I know what you were thinking! ;)