Call of the wild

Krusty

Active Member
#61
The wolves are an economic threat to cattleman, just as maintaining adequate river flows and water quality for anadromous fish are an economic threat to barge traffic, agricultural irrigation, municipal/industrial wastewater dischargers, and timber harvest practices. It's all economics, and quite relative. Conflict is an intrinsic part of life, and perspective depends upon whose ox is getting gored.

Concerns about dangers to humans due to wolf reintroductions are just plain unfounded and silly.

While I'm quite willing to pay taxes to see the anadromous fisheries survive despite never fishing for them, as well as repayment for livestock losses due to wolf predation, not everyone feels the same way.

In fact, the further one travels inland, the fewer people you'll find that care about anadromous fish at all...they figure that what little they eat can easily be acquired from some market, somewhere (of course, in aggregate, that's short-sighted...but as a species we're quite short-sighted...it's a human characteristic). Within a generation or so, nobody will care about steelhead or salmon, once they're long gone.
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#62
Within a generation or so, nobody will care about steelhead or salmon, once they're long gone.
Of that, I have no doubt.

I guess it comes down to money versus the planet... as usual. You're right, when timber companies were wiping out salmon and steelhead habitat, it was all for the bucks with no regard for the fish. The same holds true for the wolf. As you noted, the big money of the livestock biz will maintain the war against the wolves.

However, we were able to stop lumber companies from destroying fish habitat, so perhaps requiring ranchers to build fencing to contain their cattle is also possible. If we can stop open range operations, then I guess I'd have no problem with the reintroduction of wolves.

As far as the elk hunters are concerned, well, I kind'a see them the same as those who want to harvest steelhead no matter what and consider the wild steelhead as competition to their goals.

No offense intended toward elk hunters but I honestly don't see wolves wiping out all the elk... no more than they did before the whiteman showed up.

You can't have it both ways, Krusty. You tell me that there is no way open range grazing will be eliminated yet you are pro-wolf. IF we can remove the livestock concerns, then I see hope for the wolves.

The elk hunters my kill wolves they see while hunting but not nearly as many as will cattle ranchers who may carry a riffle at all times.

Considering we did force change in logging practices, perhaps it is possible to change open range practices. At one time, folks said there was no way we could stop the destruction of fisheries by timber companies. Yet it happened.
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#64
I know, it will be a continual fight. Money will always be at odds with the environment. I won't give up the fight and neither will they. It will be a constant battle and never over, you're certainly right about that.

How I ended up just the opposite of the general attitude of where I was raised is amazing. However, there is some redneck still in me. Evidently I'm a mix of redneck and treehugger. :)
 

Krusty

Active Member
#65
I know, it will be a continual fight. Money will always be at odds with the environment. I won't give up the fight and neither will they. It will be a constant battle and never over, you're certainly right about that.

How I ended up just the opposite of the general attitude of where I was raised is amazing. However, there is some redneck still in me. Evidently I'm a mix of redneck and treehugger. :)
It gave you the advantage of not vilifying rednecks or treehuggers....which is, sadly, a trait in short supply on both sides.

As country-folk would say, 'you didn't forget your raising'.
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#72
In defense of Poodles, the full size non-shrunk dogs are very intelligent and were bred for hunting. They can be mean suckers as I learned from one on my newspaper route when I was a kid.

... how they ended up shrinking a hunting dog into a yapper is beyond me.
 

Vladimir Steblina

Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working
#75
Dude...are you wearing Uggs??
Absolutely. What do you wear in a cold weather hunting camp??

I also wear gaiters while bird hunting. One time when I was running late on completing a timber sale and a monsoon hit I ended marking trees in my Red Ball Fly Weight waders.

You do whatever you need to do to get the job done.

I wear dress wool pants in the woods: http://usbackroads.blogspot.com/2010/08/over-garments.html

Today's outdoor clothes are made for tourists or blue-collar outdoor jobs. There are really very few clothes designed for people working in the woods.