**** Carp

Discussion in 'Warm Water Species' started by Dustin Bise, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. sharpshooter223

    sharpshooter223 Member

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    how old are you, anybody over 10 should know that carp are not native and are not desirable. and because they arent desirable they should all be killed cause they suck. sure you may argue that bass and panfish arent native but they are desirable. and yes, carp do stink more than normal fish, they smell of rotting crap because thats basically what they are. i know this is a fly fishing site but yes fishing with bait can be fun. but it doesnt matter how hard they fight, i have fought a large one before, and when i landed it, it reeked of carp. i sealed it in a few bags and threw it away. the fight isnt worth all the damage and mess they make and the smell they make and the desirable fish they replace. it doesnt matter what european immigrants think, carp should never have been established in america, they dont belong.
     
  2. jasmillo

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    1. I am 31- thank you for asking.

    As far as the rest of my post is concerned-here you go.

    1: I will admit that I did not know all Carp in the U.S. were non-native. But the fact of the matter is that alot of fish in the U.S. are non-native including brown trout and I'm sure (but not positive) you would not advocate killing all of them as well. The fact of the matter is that alot of people enjoy fishing for Carp for sport and to eat as well and just because your precious little hands might get a tad bit fishy if you accidently catch one while fishing is not a valid reason for killing them. Now if they are harming native species than by all means, remove them, as well as all other species competing with native species for all I care.

    2: I grew up fishing bait and actually have no problem with it, especially if you are fishing for food. However, the point of my post is that fishing for Carp with a fly is a challenge and actually very difficult. However, pretty much anyone can catch Carp with a doughball. Carp provide another challenging species for fly-anglers to pursue, especially in light of the pressure other traditional game fish species are feeling these days.

    3: Anytime you advocate killing wildlife because you hate them with a "firey passion" is an ignorant statement to begin with (followed up by "they should all be killed because they suck"- good one :thumb:). If you have reasons, such as the ones mentioned above, then explain your reasons, but killing for the sake of killing is, well....a 10 year olds mentality. So maybe, you're mentally deficient (by the way thay means retarded - no need to go ask mommy) or maybe you are actually 10??

    Anyway sharpshooter, maybe you would like to post a list of other things you think suck so that they can be warned to watch out for the water-headed 10 year old in the tri-cities area with a chip on his shoulder.

    Have a nice day :)

    J
     
  3. Evan Burck

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    i think you missed the point of his reply entirely.

    it has less to do with "native vs non-native" and more to do with "non native, undesireable" species. carp destroy habitat for desireable native fish. they also create less than ideal conditions for these native fish to live in. so, in theory; less carp = more desireable native fish
     
  4. sharpshooter223

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    precisely. the area already has enough bottom feeders. there are plenty of native suckers around and then there are also non native (but desireable) catfish. neither of which make giant messes. if you want to catch bottom feeders on a fly, just go for channel cats or suckers.
     
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    after the carp genocide of course
     
  6. jasmillo

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    That's all I was looking for. I now see a reason for removing Carp. My main issue with the post was request to remove Carp because of "hate" or because they "suck"- in my mind, not real valid reasons. Now I am behind you, and I agree with Evan-let the Carp genocide in your lake begin.

    However, I will stand by my original statement that Carp on the fly is a very difficult and exciting option for fly-anglers and this other option might help take some fishing pressure off the typical native gamefish most fly-anglers pursue, many of which are diminishing rapidly.

    Also, I responded to your post in the manner I did because I have seen many anglers bank suckers and even whitefish (while I was living MT I saw this all the time), native species that are basically an annoyance to alot of fisherman but native and vital to health of the ecosystem. I obviously lumped you into that category prematurely :confused:.

    So, have a nice day (and I actually mean it this time)

    J
     
  7. Dustin Bise

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    man, i was hoping this would go 5 rounds and then KO
     
  8. Evan Burck

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  9. oilslick

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    I live in Oregon. My dad has a place on the lake, so when I go visit, its easy to go down to the dock and fish around supper time. I have fished the upper whitefish and red meadow lake a few times, but haven't ventured much farther than that.

    So I should definatly destroy them when I catch them???
     
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    I have also done well ice fishing there.
     
  11. Kaari White

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    I'm not sure how invasive of a species carp are or how much damage they're doing to "native" fish (it seems like most places they're found are not native to trout, either, other than the Columbia), but what good are you going to do killing single fish that you haul in?? You think you're really affecting the population?? It's wasteful and stupid.
     
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    just make sure they arent grass carp, as grass carp are acctually good and protected by the state, common carp though make huge messes and yes should be killed.

    you may say that killing every single fish that you catch might not do anything to the population and is a waste of time, but that just untrue, theres only one way to get rid of them. and with carp i highly doubt you will only catch one fish a day. its not a waste, its helping the populations of other fishes and also the water quality. all types of carp produce alot more ammonia and nitrate levels than other fish, which is bad for the water if you dont understand that. this comming summer im going to go to the river some days just to catch carp, and when i do catch them ill stick them in a plastic bag and throw them away. if other people just want to go fishing and do some good for better fish at the same time, it might be an idea to do the same thing.
     
  13. Chuck S

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    " Carp have been blamed for many of the problems encountered by fishery and water resource managers. These include: destruction of fragile aquatic macrophytes (water plants); increase in turbidity; damage to stream beds and irrigation channels; nutrient enrichment of waterways leading to algal blooms; competitive interactions with desirable fish species; introduction of new parasites and diseases to desirable fish species. ----{Although carp have been linked to some of these problems, particularly at high densities, there is generally a poor understanding of the real impacts of carp. Many of the problems attributed to carp may be symptoms of wider environmental problems such as salinity, habitat destruction, water quality deterioration and flow reduction."}----

    The bracketed bit is important to note. The quote is from a bit of ongoing research on carp. Also, unless Washington has changed it's fish and game laws it's illegal to catch, kill and leave Carp. Carp are a fine game fish as Dave Whitlock a noted writer, illustrator and fly angler points out: http://www.flyfisherman.com/midwest/dwcarp/ To many of us here in the states and overseas the Carp rates among the highest as far as a fishing challenge goes and is often compared to trying to catch Bonefish, and Redfish whcih are generally rated as two of the hardest to target and catch, sight fishing quarries.:thumb:
     
  14. Trashfisher

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    iagree