I knew there was something I i liked about you Steve. Here's my question: How many of you firearm enthusiasts have ever heard a shot fired at humans? I am a marine corps combat veteran, and if I thought I needed the kind of lethal force I hear described by "recreating adults" to go fishing, I wouldn't go. Having seen the amount of training and mental conditioning it takes to operate a weapon efficiently in a stressful situation, with all due respect, a few hours on the pistol range will not make you a Mitchell Paige. If you are ever in a situation in which you actually have to pull one of those handguns, please don't shoot yourselves. It's easier to do than to hit an aggressor who doesn't want to be shot.