Casting Distances: Every Caveman Needs a Chance to Beat His Chest

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  1. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    There are fisheries that call for long shots. I've had many a day on Hood Canal and Puget Sound Beaches where I've hooked salmon when others couldn't because I can shoot 100+. The rip isn't always 40 feet out. Popper fishing is another one that comes to mind. The popper can be worked back longer and pull an extra strike or two throughout the day. Steelheading when done with a single hander has places where the long shot is needed to be in the game. Because I can bomb long distance I understand rod and line manipulation in unison and when conditions are windy or I have a big fly and am under-gunned in leader and tippet, or am using big heavy uglies on lighter rods, the ability to shoot long distance makes you better in those areas also. Shooting long casts can also be big tools in float tubing and it is a big asset in Bluewater fly fishing. Bombing 700 grain shooting heads on a 14 weight all day in ripping winds is not only challenging but can be flat dangerous if you can't get that rig cranked up right. Big casters have a huge advantage over anglers who can't in our bonefish fishery here in Hawaii due to high winds, heavy flies and at times long shots are the only way to hook big bones. One aspect ignored is that alot of fly-fishing is in roll cast country. If you know how to shoot big, you can also roll cast big (usually) and that is an invaluable skill and tool for reaching that distant lie with your dry fly with a bunch of brush and low-hangers behind you. Gents, we all know most fish are hooked in close, I'll concede that. Technically, no you don't have to cast big to catch most species of fish on a fly rod. But to say you don't need to work on distance casting is simply saying that you will always be content with being an incomplete angler, and I know most of us didn't start on this quest, this fur and feather "Crusade" to go half assed. Grab a Gator-Aid or single malt or whatever, walk down to the beach, park, or rec center once a week and practice the hauls, shoots and bombs. Better yet, call a fishing buddy, and tell him to tape up the ankles, you want to meet him for a little distance battle of the bands once a week. Ask him how long it's been since someone took his lunch money. (Kidding of course) "Meet me at the park and come ready to take a big "L" because the loser buys the first pitcher of Mac & Jacks." You can work out technical issues together and have some friendly competition and push each other. It's actually fun as hell and you will get better every time out. There's nothing wrong with hitting a double biceps shot once in a while, hell we just quit beating each other with clubs and swords not too many years ago. And remember, chicks dig the long ball! Tight lines boys.:beer1: Coach Duff
     
  2. David Prutsman

    David Prutsman All men are equal before fish

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    Best Argument I've heard yet!

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  3. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    "But to say you don't need to work on distance casting is simply saying that you will always be content with being an incomplete angler,"


    LOL!!

    If you don't tie your own flies...
    If you don't fish with indicators...
    If you don't fish for bones...
    If you don't fish for carp...
    If you don't fish for steelhead...
    If you don't look down on bait fisherman...
    If you don't use this knot...
    If you don't use this line...
    If you don't fish dries..
    If you don't fish the salt...
    If you don't fish a 2 hander...
    If you don't do fishing competitions...
    If you don't smoke stogies when you fish...
    If you don't fish sage rods...
    If you don't take water temperature readings...
    If you don't fish with guides...
    If you don't take casting lessons...
    If you don't focus on distance casting...
    If you don't fish from a boat...
    If you don't agree with coach duff...

    You are just not a complete angler :)

    I think I finally got it, thanks!!

    -Chadk, the half-assed fly fisherman ;)
     
  4. David Loy

    David Loy Senior Moment

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    Or half-vast... (if your glass is half full).
    Half a gud day.
     
  5. Jake L

    Jake L New Member

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    And ChadK, I know that there are serious anglers here who are not interested in fishing all the ways you mentioned. But I'm not one of them!!! ptyd
     
  6. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Interest? :hmmm:

    Being "interested" in doing something is still half-assed if you aren't actively pursuing and actually doing it. Talk is cheap :ray1:




    My point is that just because one guys doesn't fish like Coach Duff (or someone else with a heafty opinion of himself), doesn't put him in the category of "incomplete angler".

    We are all anglers with varying interests, passions, goals, etc. They won't all line up. What I like about fly fishing, you may not. How I define fly fishing may not match up with how you define it. How I enjoy it may not be how you enjoy it. How I push myself and grow may not line with your focus and approach.
     
  7. Jake L

    Jake L New Member

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    I'll concede that not everyone has to fish everything in every way. But that person is merely being satisfied with being incomplete. Whereas the angler who is never satisfied and constantly searching for further ways to fish, is also incomplete because as everyone knows there is ALWAYS one step further.

    In my book, I'd call the "complete angler", the one who is satisfied. Because the unsatisfied one will keep on adding and adding indefinitely and therefore, never be "complete". So I guess, I can agree with you that the complete angler isn't the most diversified. But then again, the definition of "complete" which I just pulled out of my "John Brown Hindparts" isn't something that I would particularly want or strive to be.

    In no way should every angler have to "fish like Coach Duff". I completely agree with you.
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  8. Jake L

    Jake L New Member

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    I think its time for the rivers to drop. I just wasted five minutes writing that last response....
     
  9. Tim Lockhart

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    Amen. Had big honeyhole plans for today but look at this weather...think I'll pass on elevation till all this water and electricity can sort itself out. Should be active off the tail of this though...:D
     
  10. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    Big opinion of myself? No Chad, nice try but I'm not taking the bait. In fact the reason I love steeheading and bonefishing so much is that each and every day is a humbling experience and a learning experience. Learning how to cast long is just that - LEARNING. The wins and losses along the way during this learning experiences are humbling, stimulating and feed our brains and bodies. The fact is no one will ever become a complete angler or master this thing we call flyfishing. That is why I love it and why each and every aspect of the sport is fascinating to me. Every day in some way I am a complete beginner and will be for the rest of my life. I lose more days than I win but every day I learn something about the fishery, the environment and myself. At one time I could only cast 5 feet. Over the years after many frustrations, curses, and tail between the legs days I persisted and now can throw a whole fly line on most rods. That doesn't mean I am any better than the next guy or gal. It just means that I understand that fly-fishing is about alot more than catching fish or for that matter casting 100 feet. It's too bad that after 6000 posts that whole concept has escaped you. You'd rather spend your time on a computer constantly trying to goad people into pissing contests that really amount to nothing. Maybe in the next 6000 posts or so, you'll figure things out. Tight lines anyways. The Coach
     
  11. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    So much for not taking the bait :D

    (PS - yes, I have a great job that plants my but right in front of a computer with quick and easy access to this great site for aout the last 8 years or so... or however long this site has been running - and no, my registered date is not the correct date...
    But either way, while I have you on post numbers, you rule when it comes to words typed :ray1:)
     
  12. Snake

    Snake tryin' not to get too comfortable

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    Are you suggesting women desire a man who can throw long, akin to being able to throw down and survive a battle with long-swords, Coach?

    I suppose if it increased the ability to catch fish, and thereby provide food, it might make it easier to mate, in the right circumstances......

    But I have never, ever in my life met a woman who gives a rat's ass whether I can cast 70' or 120'.

    Maybe they exist?? How many hot chick fishing guides are there, anyway?
     
  13. Big Tuna

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    As it turns out, the title of this thread was pretty apropos. Some of y'all might even be a little sore:clown:
     
  14. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Wow, for once I agree with Chadk... I don't think you need to cast for *big* distance to be a complete angler, because it's all about the specific needs of the kind of fishing you want to do. I'd much prefer to say that if you don't practice casting for distance than you are accepting a limitation as an angler. It doesn't mean your "incomplete", but it certainly puts you at a disadvantage in a lot of situations. But then again, I suppose if you're one of those guys who throws 30 and thinks it's 60, or you're one of those cats who thinks it's a waste of time to practice for distance, you're not incomplete, just dilusional.

    -- Cheers
    -- James
     
  15. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Come on now, we are *all* guys here. For the most part, it's not the hotness of a chick, just her availability that drives us.... Geez, you should see some of the dudes (errr... Chicks) that the Duffster was pulling double hauls on! :D:D:D