Catching steelhead on reds

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by FLGator, Jul 31, 2006.

  1. Randy Knapp

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    Each person, within the parameters of the regulations, chooses when, how, and where to fish for whatever species. Is it okay to fish for bass and bluegill on or near their nests? How about schooled up whitefish or dollies?

    I tire quickly of all the judging that goes on here. We are all fishing and how we do it is our choice if legal. If you don't like the regs, lobby to change them. Curt is right. You ARE splitting hairs. We fish and kill for our pleasure, period. If you want to protect the resource, don't fish, don't buy them in the store, don't build or live near them, ban all pesticides, etc. Simply put, each person reasons out his/her own ethics with regard to our sport. Even the regs themselves are often arbitrary and subject to pressures from various groups, often with deeply divergent viewpoints. Pointing critical fingers at others reminds me of the words of Jesus about the man talking about removing the splinter from his neighbor's eye when he has a log in his own. Jesus said, if that person removed the log from his own eye, then he would see more clearly.

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    It's refreshing to read a Christian who espouses ethical relativism. ;)
     
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    "Ethical relativism" would only be at issue if I argued that the regs should not exist. We have a standard. If you don't agree with the standard then work to change it. I am not even saying that the regs define all the parameters of ethical fishing behavior. I am only saying that to define your way of fishing ethical and mine unethical or vice versa is in fact "splitting hairs" within the context of the law; and it can be argued that it is judgemental and possibly hypocritical (the latter could only be assertained if we followed each other around on every fishing excursion).

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    Randy,

    Do you think it is ok to specifically target wild steelhead actively guarding their reds?

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    I don't specifically target wild steelhead anytime but occasionally land one while fishing my favorite beadhead for whiteys or a rabbit leech for dollies or an egg pattern for either. I always release them even if legal to kill. I have even released hatchery fish upon occasion.

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    What would you expect a plunker's incidental kill rate to be on wild fish? Compared to the selective gear section during the season in question on the Skagit?

    Knowing that a plunker is umpteen times more effective at catching fish over my chosen methods and they are approx. 500 to 1500 times more likely to mortally kill that wild fish for release...should we let the fox guard the hen house? Or does leadership make the right decision. Say thanks for your interest and insight to your points. We appreciate it however this is the direction we must take for the best overall conservation of fishing privilege while limiting population impacts considering our current stock status. That way everybody gets to play the game.

    Unfortunately I have had enough poor experiences with several 'wildcatters' on the Clearwater during it's C&R season that it has spoiled the whole barrel. The only reason for any of their proposals is to 'stick it to the fly guys'.

    Oh well. Once the threatened/endangered status takes effect NOBODY will get to play on the Skagit/Sauk/Sky anymore anyway (wild steelhead wise).

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    i still believe a solution is to open specific rivers with low to no wild escapement to any thing goes fishing. those specific rivers would be fronted by mega hatcheries and paid for with a 'kill' license issued by WDFW.

    rivers which have the potential for wild steelhead propogating on their own, would have ZERO hatchery fish and be managed as C&R exclusively with single barbless hooks, specific tackle beyond that is not too relevant. these rivers would be paid for, that would be stepped up enforcement as no hatcheries are involved, by a 'no kill' license issued by WDFW.

    seperation of folks by what their expectations might be regarding fishing would seem the most desirable solution for a problem that won't go away. it would be farily obvious is poaching was occurring and since an enhanced enforcement patrol would be a part of our licensing, pretty expedient to deal with.