Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by shadowcast, Jul 20, 2013.
I take a .50 with me just in case a feral cat tries to get into my personal space..
Wow. I have fish right there about 7 times this year. I usually fish in the evening time have seen deer but nothing else. I do hear noise in the bushes just figure it's deer. Well I guess I'm going to carry my .45 now when I go there. What time were u there at.
I carry beer spray. Quicker to deploy if wearing hip waders. Chest waders take longer, and there's the possibility of a messy misfire.
Had the dog encounter about 4:30p, and saw the ML a half hour later.
Would bears and ML's prefer Alaskan Amber or Pyramid , just kidding.
But yeah...I've decided on bear spray too after doing the reading. Much as I'd like the peace of mind a firearm brings, I don't think I could have deployed one fast enough under great stress. I would have needed A LOT of practice and training. Sure wouldn't mind being with someone who could though! I guess that's another answer to my question: the buddy system.
Yeah, but the effective range isn't all that great.
You get better accuracy with a two-handed combat stance.
What happens when the dog thinks you are offering it a bone?
It would be hallucinating. Run like hell.
The literature I've found suggests that bear spray is better than firearms when handling bears. The best study available appears to be Smith et al. 2008.
Smith, T. S., S. Herrero, T. D. DeBruyn, and J. M. Wilder. 2008. Efficacy of bear deterrent spray in Alaska. Journal of Wildlife Management 72:640–645.
A follow-up looked at incidents when only firearms were used.
Smith, T.S., Herrero, T. D., Layton, C.S. Larsen, R.T., Johnson, K.R. Efficacy of Firearms for Bear Deterrence in Alaska. Journal of Wildlife Management 76:1021-1027.
Both of these are easily available online. There appears to be no similar study on use of bearspray on mountain lions, probably because attacks are more rare and because cougars tend to stalk and attack from a nearby position. As mentioned above, if you see it, you are lucky and probably not being stalked.
In any case, I go with bear spray. Which I have fortunately never needed to use.
Going up against a bear with a handgun is close to suicide. There are a lot of guys here saying this and that is impractical. My best advice is carry both bear spray and your gun when you are going where there is potential danger. Spray has its place for sure but so does a handgun. It is up to the well trained individual to decide which to deploy and when. I have been carrying concealed for many years now and am completely used to carrying so saying that carrying a gun is impractical does not compute over to my system. I think pack in a whole lot more though than the standard guy does when going out in the wilderness for the day.
I have climbed into trees (tan oaks and pepperwoods) with Black bears in them and shot them with my .45
Never once did the bullet not pass completely through them, and never once did it take more than once. This was during licensed depredation hunts.
A .45 ACP shooting a simple full metal jacketed bullet is more than enough for any black bear.
The buddy system is a good idea in case of bear or mountain lion attack. Preferably a slow buddy; better yet a lame one. That way you only have to outrun your buddy, not the bear. When you leave the car to hike with your buddy, sneak a tire iron into your waders. If a mountain lion attacks, quickly knee-cap your buddy and run like hell. Don't forget to drop by his house and console his widow. That's what buddies are for.