Chiro colors

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by JMitchell, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. JMitchell

    JMitchell Active Member

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    I know that there are a gazillion different combos/sizes ect, but I thought I would post this to get some ideas of stepping out of my comfort zone.

    My favorite hooks are the 200R # 12-14, 2457 for #16-18 and 5262 on occasion in 14-16.

    My best color combos have been

    1. black with red/silver rib with black/snowcone bead
    2. chromie in 12-14
    3. frostbite chiro with maroon frostbite and snowcone.

    These are pretty much the only chiros I use all season. I am stocked up on these and was wanting some ideas on other sizes/hooks/color combos. Thanks for the input.

    Jarron
     
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  2. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    You were correct, I think that there are over 2000 species of chironomids so trying to match them all is almost impossible. Randy Deifert ties a pattern using liquid lace and white thread. He ties in the liquid lace back to the hook bend (Size 14-12 scud hook of your choice) then wraps the white thread to the eye. Then using markers he colors the thread multiple colors to match all sorts of potential patterns. Then he wraps the liquid lace forward and ties it off. I use a black bead but he weights his with lead. And then of course some sort of gill at the top. This pattern is always unique and has been a great pattern for me.

    I also tie size 14-12 with multiple colors and ribbings. Tans, browns, greens, olives, reds with silver, brass, copper, red ribbings. With a little of all of this I find I can pretty much match any chironomid pattern. Although I always carry some bombers in the 10-8 range as well with long shanked hooks. I rarely ever fish smaller and I don't find that it seems to matter that much.

    Ira..
     
  3. B.A. Bare

    B.A. Bare What we got here is... failure to communicate.

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    I don't think color matters that much... size and depth fished are worth more focus. Just my two cents..
    Brian Chan might have some good insight...
     
  4. Wayne Kohan

    Wayne Kohan fish-ician

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    I would pretty much say that black and red covers most of what I catch fish on. I have tried others and fancier patterns with some, but limited success.

    Wayne
     
  5. Trevor Thorp

    Trevor Thorp Happy to be home in the NW

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    I agree with B.A. Bare. While matching the colors of a particular chiro is fun and feels like you are matching the hatch, at the depths that you are usually fishing chiros, colors change because of the ability of different wavelengths to penetrate to the fly. Size, shape and depth are more important.
     
  6. I like to stomach sample those fish that are in the feeding zone. Knowing that trout are lazy and opportunistic feeders, the presentation is the most vital thing, down the right knot that you're tying your Chirons. Tie them in chrome or go home... The added flash is perfect to attract a trouts attention when there is a serious hatch common off the mud interface.
     
  7. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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    whats the right knot??
     
  8. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Heavies...

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    loop knot. 100%
     
  9. Tom Palmer

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    Hi Jarron,

    Your list is definitely a good starting point. Areas I would consider bulking up on-
    1) Copper. Black body and copper rib is common in NW lakes. Patterns like the "Bronzie" from Rowley are staples. I carry a full spectrum of copper beaded and copper ribbed patterns and are often my most productive. Looking at throat samples you can clearly see the copper glow on some species and fish key in on this feature.
    2) Anti-static bag. There are days the fish are keying in on the gas bubble but a silver patterned Chromie is too much. The glistening gray effect you get from anti-static bag or gunmetal gray flashabou makes a huge difference. Fisherman who ignore this style have never seen one deployed on the right day :)
    3) Dark Brown. Dark brown looks like black to the casual eye, but fish notice the difference.
    4) Pattens with no beads. Popular lakes condition fish and having patterns that break the standard look everyone else is using is very helpful.

    Having the right pattern increases our success exponentially. I think some fisherman feel content with a six fish day, not realizing a subtle change in size/color would have meant a twenty+ fish day.

    All we can do is tie, tie, tie!
     
  10. Caveman

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    Color does matter. I fished with teh same size chirony and didn't get a bump, I then changed from gray to brown with gold head and started to nail them. They are picky. I agree with Yellow lab.
     
  11. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I'm cool with other folks thinking that color is not that important. They are right though depth is very very key and I will definitely play with depth before anything else, then location, then flies. Flies and color do matter though and having a variety has saved many a trip for me. What I haven't found is as important (but still occassionally is) is size.

    Ira..
     
  12. Keith Hixson

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    Dark green with red ribbing and tan with copper ribbing seem to work well. Presentation and depth are the most important thing.

    Keith
     
  13. troutpocket

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    I tie most of mine on Dai Riki 135's in size 10-16. I seem to get more fish hooked with the offset gap . . .but who knows?
     
  14. Trout Master

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    Colors,size , depth do make a diff. I like size 18 or 20 black with White tungsten bead that I paint white myself or size 18/20 white beah and red body with copper rib. Killer at Nunnally or up at the twins in winthrop.
     
  15. JMitchell

    JMitchell Active Member

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    I think a lot of you are right about depth being the most important aspect. You can fish all the colors/sizes you want but if you aren't fishing at the depth the fish are holding at...not a good day.

    I do think color and size are very important though. I can't tell you how many times I've done poorly with one style/color, switched and then five minutes later started getting some action.

    I'm trying to become a more "complete" chiro fisher and be prepared for all situations. Mostly this is just an excuse to by more tying supplies and tie more.

    Thanks again to all replies.

    Jarron