chiro fishing in the fall?

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by dp, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Jim, invest in a throat pump. Test a couple of fish early and see what they are eating and again later on. The most important factor is location. Once you are in a zone that you feel good with, put on a mid or blood worm and give it a try.

    Just recently I fished Pass lake and found that the bigger fish I caught were all on static presentation where as the smaller more aggressive fish took stripped offerings.
     
  2. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Thanks Ira. I guess using a throat pump on a trout is better than ripping one open :eek: to examine the stomach contents.
    "Static" presentation? Would that be letting it hang motionless? Or inching it up the water column using hand-twist, with long pauses between the incremental raisings?
    I suppose that if an indicator were being used, any surface chop would provide the needed motion to a non-retrieved fly. But can I just use a long leader (longer than the water depth) and drop a weighted chiro straight down (with my fly line still all on the reel)?
     
  3. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    I suppose that I should just get copies of the Phil Rowley book and Skip Morris/Brian Chan book on fishing stillwaters, as well as Tim Lockhart's recent book. I read thru some old threads here, to glean what I could. I've gotten enough info to get started. Only thing left now is to go do it.
     
  4. Topstoy

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    Yes fish eat Chiros 365 days a year but as you noticed that with the cooler weather there are not as many coming off and the lack of anything at the surface. You can also try a scud pattern fished just off the bottom as they feed on these all year long as well yet you never see anything on the surface as they stay at the bottom. If you are down deep stripping or trolling with leeches you can pick up some big ums as well. Just need to get it down there. Good luck.
     
  5. Scott Salzer

    Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    Suggest that you look at the DF thread.
     
  6. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Thanks for the tip on trying scuds, Topstoy. I was informed that the lake I was fishing has chara weed, which is supposed to be scud habitat. Usually I have luck there slow trolling or stripping a bugger or leech close to the bottom.

    I found some "quick release indicators" that I had used with globugs. Egg shaped. Hollow peg. Can set 'em light enough to release on the rod tip. With a bobber stop up high on the leader, and the leader going straight thru them (without a loop pegged), they also work as slip indicators. If those don't work, I'll make some better ones.
     
  7. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    I did, and your latest post had not yet appeared. I looked for another DF post. Couldn't find a recent one. Then I noticed that your most recent one had suddenly appeared whiled I was searching elsewhere. My computer must be slow. But your post revealed a bit of insight. Thanks for the hedzup!;)
     
  8. Scott Salzer

    Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    Me providing insight? You must have the wrong person. Nobody can actually attest that I was even at DF. Kind of surprised at the lack of people but it is hunting season too.
     
  9. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    There was one boat fishing on the lake I was at on Friday, and only one bankie plunking powerbait at the ramp. Both were gone before I got off the lake. I drove into Westport this afternoon just before 4pm. Place looked like a ghost town. (Was there some big game on tv?). I finally saw some more people out at Westhaven State Park. Mostly surfers. The surf was incredibly good looking with overhead to double-overhead waves peeling off beautifully. The swell was diminishing all afternoon, with a 6' @ 14 second swell focusing in just right on the incoming tide when I looked at it. Top-notch wave-riding going on with some of the better WA surfers out. Offshore breeze was a bit stiff, but it was doable. You'd have had to see it to believe it. I'd have loved to have been out in it, but my shoulder is still a bit tweaked, and it was a tad large. Won't be any good tomorrow, though, per the forecast.
    I plan to go fishing somewhere tomorrow, anyway.
     
  10. Irafly

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    Jim, the best way for me to really answer your vertical presentation questions is with you in a boat next to me while I'm doing it. I used to surf back in the day (not very good mind you but I enjoyed the beating) maybe I take a hike your way or you hike toward me and I school you.
     
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  12. Mike Ediger

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    We have a Winterlake over here that opens December 1. If we are lucky enough to have some open water in early December before it freezes solid we can have some amazing chironomid days on the lake. Blood worms and other chirono patterns especially black or maroon can be phenomenal. I've also found that they can take Chironomids all day long not just during a hatch. I guess that happens during the spring summer and fall as well… bottom line is late fall and winter can be absolutely terrific chironomid days.


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    Chironomids, or midges, don't always head for the surface when they emerge from the bottom of the lake. They can emerge from the muck, and move up and down the water column and end up back in the mud without making it to the surface. Just because there are no shucks on the surface doesn't mean they aren't in the water column. They are down there and fish are eating them.... year around.
     
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  14. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    OK, sounds like I just have to BELIEVE that the trout are eating chironomids down there.
    Got to the lake yesterday early afternoon, greeted by moderate NE breeze and a light overcast, so I headed across to the lee shore. Once I made it to smoother surface conditions I found evidence of a large hatch of tiny gnats having been going on, and still going on. The adults weren't even an eigth of an inch long...more like 3/32". No way could I match that, except maybe with a Griffith's Gnat. The rise rings were very few and sparse. My sonar showed most fish cruising down near the bottom, with some at mid depth. Nothing that I could see happening along the weedy shallows.
    I tried slow trolling a two fly rig with a NCS(big brown BH bugger) trailed by a Sixpack. Nada. Not even a hit.
    I tried another spot on the downwind side of the lake where there wasn't any hatch evident, with trout hanging near the bottom. The breeze was chilly there, and the fish didn't seem interested in my offerings, so I didn't stay long. Otters recently have been hanging out at that end, anyway.
    Finally, I switched to my #6 black sparkle bugger and paddled back upwind to the lee shore of the lake, and missed a decent grab right after I anchored and started casting and retrieving. Another slow period followed that, and I moved and re-anchored a couple of times.
    Then, at about 4:30pm I noticed a few risers out of range, so I hauled anchor and started paddling slowly thru the rise rings, and then a little faster to bring my fly right up under the surface (clear intermediate line) and started paddling an enclosing circle (seiner style) around the rise rings and bingo, I started getting strikes and hooking trout. In the next half hour before dark I released a couple of nice 14"ers and landed two more (one about 15") that I took home for a friend and his wife, per their request. I missed a bunch of strikes, and LDR'd a couple jumpers, too.
    I'm thinking I should just hit that lake a half hour before dark, these days.:confused:
     
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    Those fish cruising near the bottom and mid-depth on your sonar were PRIME CANDIDATES for catching with vertical presentation. Hang a bloodworm, snocone, or micro leech down there next time. You'll find out pretty quick if those were feeding fish.
     
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