Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Chef, Feb 8, 2011.
Way to go, cookie breath! Has anyone else got into BUZZERS?
Phil's book is good. Don't have one of Brian's that has patterns, but he also clearly knows his stuff.
Personally I'd skip Modern Midges unless you're headed to a tailwater and really plan on fishing a lot of 20 & 22 stuff. A few basic patterns (maybe 3-4, 6 at most) and several color variations and size variations will do far more for lake fishing than the cajillion bling-bling midge patterns in MM. At least in my opinion.
With all due respect tkww, I have to dissagree with you. I fish a lot of three fly chironomid rigs, usually a size 20 or smaller on the bottom fly, larger flies on the top two. I've landed some of my largest fish on that bottom fly. In fact it's usually the most popular choice with the fish on lakes that I like to fish. Small Chironomid and larva patterns are not just for tail waters in my book. The MM book has a lot of very interesting patterns, color combos, and materials to play with.
Mike, that's interesting. I usually stop at 18. I'll have to give some smaller ones a shot this year.
This book is great.
B, What's your definition of buzzers?
Correct me if I am wrong, but you can only use two flies in WA - right? Just trying to make sure I (and others) understand.
Regarding the use of flies, for Fly Fishing only waters you can use two. For selective gear fisheries (like Lenice, Dry Falls etc...) you can use up to three.
Thanks for that, Tom. I kind of thought about that possibility when I noticed the two fly thingy under FF only.
Maybe my expectations were too high, but I was actually disappointed with Modern Midges. Being a chironomid fisherman I was very excited ordering the book last spring, but after really diving in found it lacking. A few things I felt were missing-
1) More fly tying demos. The more innovate patterns that interest me are not shown in enough detail to actually reproduce (e.g. burnt microfibbets for gill pads). They aren't available commercially and they don't show you how to tie them... this made some patterns just pretty pictures. Impossible to obtain without more detail.
2) More history and analysis of midge fishing. This book feels like it was written primarily for the tailwater fisherman. For example, if you are an old chironomid fisherman like me, you know who Paul Lasha is. He invented the Racoon, which belongs in every NW fly box. In MM, the Racoon pictured is incorrectly tied and the originator box says "unknown." I mean all Paul did was produce a videotape called "Flies and Midges" that shows how to tie it! All you have to do is read Phil Rowley's book on Stillwater Fishing and on page 25 he tells you the history of the pattern!
3) More detail on river versus lake midge fishing. Most BC guys don't carry RS2's or WD40's. Most Colorado tailwater guides don't carry chromies or snocones. Maybe they should? Are there differences in why a pattern works in still versus running water? I feel this topic could have been covered in more depth.
By no means am I saying the book is terrible. I just expected and wanted more.
BTW- I am a huge believer in small flies for lakes!
Good review Tom.
I received Dave Hughes Book Nymphs for Streams and Stillwaters for Christmas. I've just recently started exploring this book, but my impression so far is that Mr. Hughes does an excellent job of covering the different water types and the flies for each. Not too many Chironomid patterns and the stillwater section is much smaller than the moving water section, but good regardless.
Dave's book had me thinking Modern Midges might be my next book purchase, but I won't jump into that purchase without some research after reading your comments.
I can't say that I've read or even looked in this book. However, a few years back I was fishing at a favorite area, called Dulaney Buttes lakes in N Colorado. I was having some... success from shore with a 2 nymph setup, but not exactly slaying them. This guy comes over, introduces himself and starts talking to me. He asks if he can checkout the flies I'm fishing. He pulls a box out of his vest loaded with midge patterns. Hands me half a dozen and then tells me to try these two instead of the one's I have on. Say's he's been fishing the Buttes for years and has come up with a few killer patterns. Anyway, yes, I tied them on and yes, I started hammering fish. I can't remember what he called them Tak's something or other.
All I'm saying is the 2 or 3 style patterns he gave me, I've used in lakes and rivers for years now, and have tied them in all sizes and colors. I have to figure that he has come up with workable patterns for each different place he's fished. This man catches fish. Oh yeah, the guy's name, who gave me the flies is Rick Takahashi. I'm guessing there's a few patterns in that book that should work. I might even have to get it now!
Another good source is to google Favorite Chironomid Patterns and click on Images in the left hand corner...all kinds of great examples to copy
I bought it and wouldn't recommend it. It's got about a million pictures of patterns that all start to look the same. How many black thread midges do I need....Not much discussion of when, where, why to use a certain pattern or how to fish it.
I'll sell you mine if you want one.
I'll second Blue's recommendation on Midge Magic as a very comprehensive book with lots of patterns and material choices. Rick