chironomid techniques

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Wayne Kohan, Mar 27, 2010.

  1. PeteM

    PeteM Member

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    One thing to note on a previous post, when fishing a fly fishing only lake, you can't clamp on weights to the leader. It can be embedded within the fly or as a beadhead though. From the WDFW site...

    Fly Fishing Only
    In “Fly Fishing Only” waters, an angler may
    use only the following tackle: up to 2 flies,
    each with a barbless single-point hook, not
    to exceed ½" from point to shank, and a
    conventional fly line (other line may be used
    for backing or leader if attached to at least
    25 feet of fly line). Anglers may not use fixed
    spool reels, bait, or weight attached to the
    leader or line. Only knotless nets may be
    used to land fish.

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    iagree
     
  3. Plecoptera

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    To add onto the 15ft rule mentioned above, I usually don't switch until 20 or 25'. My reasoning behind this is that w sinking line your fishing just below the boat, and in clear water I feel the fish may be spooked by the boat at 15', especially in areas with a lot of pressure. I don't know if another 10' makes much difference, but it helps my confidence. I know some don't like casting leaders more that 15', so I guess it just depends on your comfort level. With 25' of leader, hooksets and casting are really compromised.

    When I'm fishing an indicator with a 20' leader I will get take downs right at the boat, whereas at shallower depths they seem more reluctant unless there is more line out. Again I think a lot of this depends on water clarity and fishing pressure.
     
  4. Blue

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    I also add the little Frog hair stops. The ones that look like little rubber footballs. I set them at the depth I need and that way it is cake to reset with the 20' or plus leader.
     
  5. Jeff Studebaker

    Jeff Studebaker Kayak Fly Angler

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    Thanks for the info, Pete. I thought I gave the rule book a careful read but I must have skimmed over this (still on a learning curve). I am a stickler for the rules so I appreciate the heads-up.

    Guess I'll be replacing that weight with a bead-head nymph. Still, I wonder why a second hook is deemed less harmful than a weight? Is it the lead issue? Because there are lead alternatives...
     
  6. Jeff Dodd

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    nice. I'll give this a try Kevin. more time fishing and less time messing with knots
     
  7. Keith Hixson

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    This is the list of fly fishing only lakes in Washington.
    http://wdfw.wa.gov/fish/prospects/fly_fishing.htm
    Many lakes and streams are Selective Fishery Status which is different from fly fishing only. Some feel that Selective Fishery is the same as Fly fishing only, because it seems that most of those who fish select fisheries are fly fishermen. On select fishery lakes you can use an attached weight on your line to get the fly down but on fly fishing only lakes you can't.

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  8. Blue

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    That is interesting. I can see it for the LEAD factor if that is indeed what it is about, and like mentioned, I haven't used lead for years, but rather Tungsten or lead sub.
    A tungsten bead would work just fine in my opinion, but BUZZERS are awesome and there is no bead on them.
    Is there a ruling on lead ON the fly?
     
  9. Plecoptera

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    Lead is not the issue with the weight ban in FF only waters. I believe the rule is in place to prevent people from attaching weight to their lines in a manner that would allow them to cast the weight as opposed to fly casting with the fly line. I suppose you could just put a really heavy fly on within the 1/2" restriction and accomplish the same thing. There are no restrictions to lead or other weights on the fly, although some FF only waters have banned weighted flies in emergency situations when it was felt that anglers were using weighted flies to target/harass off-limit fish species.
     
  10. Chris Johnson

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    The rule is on fly only waters that any weight must be incorporate in the fly, lead is not prohibited, but I believe its' coming!
     
  11. Jeff Studebaker

    Jeff Studebaker Kayak Fly Angler

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    I bet you're right, plecoptera. The rule is probably designed to provide an enforceable definition of fly fishing. Too bad it excludes a very widespread technique, though.
     
  12. Blue

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    Most waters I fish do not have any restriction on weight, but single and barbless. Utah is two fly/lure limit and Idaho up to five.
    I forget that and always use two max.
    I watched a vid by Oliver Edwards...man, who needs lead, just build wire nymphs.
    I have never done weight for the fling power...in fact I prefer the opposite...LOL
     
  13. aarenlainey

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    Well chironomids are perhaps the toughest discipline for the stillwater fly fisher to master yet they offer the greatest rewards.