chironomids: somethings not stirring the koolaid

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Michael Thompson, Apr 30, 2009.

  1. kamishak steve

    kamishak steve Active Member

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    i can't believe people have managed to make chironomid fishing so technical. it is the simplest kind of fishing that one can do. it is basically a bobber and a worm. if you'd like the recipe for how to do it properly, it is as follows:

    First thing in the morning (i usually never manage to get on the water before 10 am), find a good shoal edge, where a fertile good shallow feeding ground drops off into deep water where the fish can find cover.
    Find the depth of the shallow shoal, and make your leader that length. This will keep the chironomid about 1ft off of the bottom as the leader is almost never perfectly vertical in the water.
    Hang your chironomid right along the edge underneath an indicator. the fish will generally cruise along the edge looking for food.
    It helps if you can see fish in the water cruising or if you see rises in the area.
    Use chironomids with tungsten beads to get them down in the water faster and to better tighten the leader. Use flourocarbon. Generally leaders with more tippet and less tapered portion of the leader will sink faster = work better.
    as the day progresses towards midday and you begin to see more rises and more activity on the surface, shorten the distance between the indicator and the fly until you are fishing about 2-3 ft underneath. the chironomids migrate from the bottom to the surface over the course of the day, so your chironomid should too.
    as for specific patterns, usually a sz 12 black on the east side, and a size 14 on the west side is a good place to start if you don't know what you are doing. I was at Nunally yesterday, and there were sz 8 black, sz 12 black, sz 18 watery olive, and size 14 cream coloured chironomids all hatching around the same time. if you aren't confident you can be dirty and fish two at once...
    if anyone has any trouble with this, pm for more help.
     
  2. Richard Torres

    Richard Torres Active Member

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    Decoy:

    Work your fly near lilly pads or where the bottom has more mud than sand or gravel, the chironomids come out of the mud and thats where the trout will congregate.

    Good luck,

    Richard
     
  3. KerryS

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    As with all things there are those that fish with a bobber and a worm and there are those that take it to the next level. I know guys that have fished Pass for years and have detailed log books about every day they fished. They can tell you what size, color, depth, and where in the lake you should fish when Mrs. Jones is giving head on a cloudy day in Birmingham. These guys will fish circles around you literally and figuratively and catch more fish in one hour then you will in one day. Sure, fishing mids is simple but it can also be very technical.
     
  4. Brian Thomas

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    Invest in a throat pump . Seriously .

    Up here in B.C , we`re allowed to fish two rods if we`re the only occupant in the boat . I always start out with a bloodworm , fished close to the bottom on one rod , and a black & silver on the other . I usually get the first fish on the bloodworm , as they`re always available to the trout , and if it`s bigger than 14 inches or so , I`ll pump the throat of the fish . If I have the right color and size in my box , the fishing can be spectacular .
     
  5. kamishak steve

    kamishak steve Active Member

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    kerry,
    You can make it as technical as you want, but I've fished Pass, and dozens of other trophy "technical" BC lakes, and it really goes not have to be that hard. With time everyone learns to refine their technique, as I have, but to tell a beginner that it has to be technical or guys will fish circles around them is just farce. Chironomid fishing is just like any other, find the fish first, then put your fly where they're feeding. My chironomid box has probably 50 different colour/size combinations for a variety of specific situations but i usually only use about 5 of those.
    I think Brian Thomas' suggestion is as good as an approach to chironomid fishing as a beginner should need to know.
     
  6. Birdsnest

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    How do you tie a two fly rig? I have tried it by tying some tippet to the bend of the upper hook, but I can only recall actually landing one fish on the top fly (lots on the lower). I have had quite a few missed hits that I think were probably on the upper fly and the line got in the way. In fact, after missing around 6 hits in a row recently on Pass Lake, I removed the upper fly and the problem went away.
     
  7. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Dropper loop? Check this site from the WFF articles on knots. http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/faq/idx/0/063/article/Knot_Guide.html I've heard that some tie to the bend, but if I tie on another fly it will either be up the tippet and tied to the eye or with a dropper loop of some sort. I'm new to chironomid fishing and will confess that I don't know much about it but this tying process has provided me some recent success. I also have recently experimented with non indicator fishing and really liked the results.
     
  8. KerryS

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    I didn't tell a beginner that it has to be technical. I said some will take it to the next level and it can be as technical as you want to make it. Also I said the guys I know at Pass could fish circles around you and they can.
     
  9. Gray Ghost

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    For early spring try #10 and #12 "Chromies", a Philip Rowley pattern. As the Spring, early Summer progresses downsize to #14, #16 and #18 Chironomid patterns. Insects get smaller Spring, Summer to Fall. The "Chromie" is the most productive Chironomid pattern I've fished and will usually be productive no matter the actual color of Chironomid the fish may be targeting, just make sure you are presenting the appropriate size for the season being fished and the size of the Chironomid shucks observed. That is why I like the "Chromie" so much, it is very versatile. Also trying some non-Chironomid patterns below the indicator, "Pheasant tail", "Hares ear" nymphs and the "San Juan worm" can be productive sometimes as well.
     
  10. kamishak steve

    kamishak steve Active Member

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    yep kerry, you've never seen me fish but you seem pretty confident your buddies are the greatest lake fishers on the planet. I hope they appreciate you hyping them up and their fishery... just because they can fish circles around you doesn't mean they can fish circles around me. speak for yourself.
     
  11. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    I'm no expert and will only resort to 'bobber staring' if nothing else is working.

    That said, I'm surprised that no one's mentioned depth as being the most important variable. Yes, patterns and size matter, but not as much as depth. If your fly isn't in the part of the water column where fish are feeding, it doesn't make a bit of difference what pattern or size you're using.

    One of my regular fishing buddies is what I regard as an expert chironomid fisher. His best advice is to start at 5 feet deep and twitch the line or give is a slow, short pull every now and then to make the fly rise up in the water and then settle back down. If it's still not working, then try varying your depth in 2 foot increments up or down until you find fish. Sometimes he ends up finding fish 20 feet down who aren't at all interested in the same pattern at 15 feet.

    If someone nearby is schooling you, observe the depth on their setup or even just ask.

    Of course there's always the possibility that fish simply aren't there in the first place, in which case nothing you try will matter!

    K
     
  12. Creatch'r

    Creatch'r Heavies...

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    ahhh someones ego is flaring up. how cute. i think there is a cream available. FYI
     
  13. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    If your friends are fishing circles around someone there is no wonder why there are no fish available inside the circle. Personally I'd move out of the donut hole and find my own fish.
     
  14. SuperSecretCIA

    SuperSecretCIA Be Like Mike!

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    :rofl: iagree :rofl:
     
  15. KerryS

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    Once again I did not say they were the greatest lake fishers on the planet. Your reading comp skills are not very good are they. Hell, most can fish circles around me, not to worried about it. I say they can fish circles around you because these guys have fished Pass for years, kept detailed records and on any given day they are going to outfish most anyone on the lake that doesn't have the experience with that fishery that they do. If you have a problem getting out fished, to bad. Doesn't bother me. As far as those guys giving a shit about what I say;:rofl:.