connecting T14

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  1. Stosiak

    Stosiak New Member

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    New to the spey world. Need advice on how to connect T14 to head. I was given T14 from a friend and want to make up different lengths. I don't have any loops. Will a perfection loop work with no hinging at the connection.
     
  2. MikeT

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    The easiest way is to put a braided mono loop on one end of each piece of T14. You also need a loop at the end of your head, either a welded factory loop or another braided mono loop. Fly shops usually have them in packages of 3 or 4. Make sure you get the right size for your lines (the head likely will need a larger size than the T14).
    Mike
     
  3. Hal Eckert

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    Yep thats what I do also instead of doing the custom loop and threading/gluing of the loops as we did before the braided loops came out.
     
  4. Bert Kinghorn

    Bert Kinghorn Formerly "nextcast"

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    Or there are a number of other ways to to make smooth loops.

    Smoothness matters. That perfection loop will make things pretty exciting as it races through your guides when a fish runs.
     
  5. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    this is difficult to describe but here goes, i double the t-14 back on its self about 1" and then tie two nail knots with 15lbs maxima where the t-14 over laps, creating a small loop. i then hit the two nail knots with zap-a-gap or aquaseal, or uv knot sense, and then cut off the tag end and fish.
     
  6. Hal Eckert

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    Similar to what I do, but I would wrap the loop with some heavier tying thread then coat it with some flexament type glue, or rubberised glue. Actually most of my T-14 heads are done this way but last few years been using the braided loops, getting lazy I guess.

    :p
     
  7. Ringlee

    Ringlee Doesn't care how you fish Moderator

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    iagree
    Exactly What I do.
     
  8. Stosiak

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    Thanks for the info I'll try the braided first and practice the other method.
     
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    instead of a website or a google search, get in touch with poppy at redshed, have him send you a copy of Al Buhr's line building book.

    the amount of line building and loop making knowledge that small book contains makes a google search pale.

    of course for cheapskates spending money on a book may seem worthless, but you picked the wrong hobby to squeeze the dime.
     
  11. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    Have not seen anything similar to what I do, so I'll post a little step by step version of what I do.

    First strip off coating. Make sure you don't put any nicks in the mono core.
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    Next, fold over once and put a dozen or so wraps around the core and the line.

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    Now coat that with a layer of zap a gap.

    wrap over the top of the wet zap a gap with a few more turns.

    Foldcore back over itself.

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    and wrap over that.

    Put another drop of zap a gap.

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    and wrap over that. You can go a third time folding over, but you really don't need to.

    cut the core and wrap some more and finish with whip finish.

    Now put another drop on all of it to smooth out the edges and make it nice and smooth while it goes through the guides.

    Finshed loop

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    You can use different colors of thread to organize length etc. I usually use flat waxed Nylon, and do most of this in my hands without a vise.

    Hope that helps.
     
  12. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    tall- seems like a cool way, have you ever had them break?
     
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    I don't use T-14, but if I did, I'd make a loop the same way I do on similarly made sink tips. I fold the end over about 1" and serve and whip finish about 1/2" with Nymo or other flat nylon fly tying thread. I coat that with Pliobond cement, about 2 coats, and it's good to go fishing.

    I did make some braided nylon loops on the end of fly lines for use with looped sink tips. I decided I didn't like having so many materials involved, and I didn't like the limp loops. Now I just strip about 2" inches or so off the floating line. I open up the braided flyline core with a needle. Then I insert 30# mono in the upper 2" of core and fold it back on itself. I fray 1/2" of remaining core and serve and whip finish about 3/4" of core and slightly onto where main flyline. Also coat that with Pliobond a couple coats. The stiff loop maintains flyline stiffness throughout and seems easier to change tips than with soft limp loops of braided nylon.

    Sg
     
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    Not on a big fish...but I have against snags etc. It has never broken.
     
  15. Chris DeLeone

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    I have another suggestion - The AirFlo 20' Custom Cut Tips with factory loops on both ends of the 20' line. I get these in 200 Grain and 330 grain, you can also get the 470 grain.

    I cut my 200 grain in 8', 12', and 16' and the 330 grain in 16'. I have to get two packages of the 200 grain but the 8' and 12' don't get fished too much.

    They are $30.00 and I have never had a problem with the loops - NEVER.

    Try em you might dig em - I did

    DeLe