Cortland

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  1. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    I think big corporations are skitzo when it comes to acquisitions....they buy a good company with the initial intent to move into a market...and the new CEO (christ, corporations change CEO' like I change underwear....maybe faster) raises an eyebrow and the latest division VP disavows and shuts down the acquisition. Or they purchase competitors to orphan and eliminate a specific competing product...then drop their own market entry. The market doesn't care, stock prices generally rises when a parent corp announces layoffs...all it thinks about is that means overhead reduction. In aggregate, the effects ain't so hot, obviously....gotta have jobs to buy products.

    Hell, the CEO's are nowadays all 'plug and play'....a good example is JC Penneys bringing in an Apple guy...a disaster.....oops, you blinked, and he and his toadies are now gone. Top corporate management with no personal affinity or experience with product line is not a recipe for success....but it doesn't matter, they're gone, and floating off on their golden parachute to the next debacle.
     
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  2. GAT

    GAT Dumbfounded

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    Krusty, evidently that is what happened with JW Outfitters. Absolute shame. They made danged nice pontoon boats.
     
  3. Trapper

    Trapper Author, Writer, Photographer

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    You know where I live and how to contact me. Just give me a heads up and we'll go chase those Mo Bows . . .

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  4. Porter

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    I like it...golden parachute...jumping from one money bag to the next! And why shouldn't they?...no one seems to be stopping them or making them accountable for company failings. But this is off subject.

    I love the peach 444. Another very underrrated line (IMO) was their 444 ClearCreek, a beautiful greenish/olive color that turned over dries nicely.
     
  5. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    I agree completely. I think long belly lines are the greatest thing since sliced bread. They are the up-side of the increased competition that drives the specialty line market.


    TC
     
  6. Brian Thomas

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    I still think the old , blue Cortland intermediate was the very best intermediate line ever made .
     
  7. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    I for one am glad companies are producing specialy lines. Cortland had a great share of the market when I first started flyfishing, but didn't do much to expand their product line-up or meet customer demand for new products. I used a lot of their lines back in the day.
    They rested on their laurels and have paid for it. New players showed up in the market with better products to meet specific angling situations. It's called innovation.
    I'm also not sure that having various companies under one holding company is always a bad thing. Have Sage, Redington or Rio's product offerings or customer service suffered under Far Bank's ownership? Have they moved all their product offshore? Redington was already having products produced offshore, but the Far Bank ownship provided the financial muscle for them to offer us even more and better products to choose from.
    With the choices in gear available today, I don't think we've ever had it so good. There are good products to fit everyones flyfishing budget.
    That being said, I hope Cortland's makeover is a big success.
    SF
     
  8. KerryS

    KerryS Ignored Member

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    Cortland used to make a 15 foot clear intermidiate sink tip line that I loved for cutthroat fishing. They quit making it. I tried a few other lines made by Rio, SA, etc. but none fit so I went back to what I had been doing for most of my lines; I made my own. Nobody can make a line that fits me like I can.
     
  9. GAT

    GAT Dumbfounded

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    I have one of those clear sink tips... guess I best not break it. I didn't know they stopped making them . Figures.
     
  10. Olive bugger

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    YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME.

    I have an older (all of my haves are older) fly line that I was thinking of replacing. It is a marginal line. Maybe get some more cast out of it.
    When I look at the $15.00 line I started with and the $75.00 line I last bought, I really have to ask myself if all that hype and development really made all that much difference.

    I donno. I guess it is what you want and what you are willing to pay for it. I found out a long time ago, that I am never going to reach the other side where all the fish are supposed to be, and my cast is what it is. Water conditions albeit subject to change are pretty much within a
    given parameter and have been for a looooong time.

    Regrettably, marketing strategies change and products get dropped from the inventory. Not sure that we need all those speciality lines, but as long as the market is there, the lines will be there.

    So, I guess, for now, I will just continue to shop the market place to see what I really need and what I can live without.
     
  11. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    I agree. When I first got it I thought it was labeled wrong and it was a floater. It took awhile for mine to start sinking.
    I ended up dying mine green as I wasn't fond of the blue color.
     
  12. shotgunner

    shotgunner Anywhere ~ Anytime

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    I'd agree with above statement. Everything is about 'NEW' in our modernised era. Funny thing about many of the new specialty tapers.. checking specifications often matches them to another 'specialty' taper.. maybe only a simple colour change.. but the box and nonclamature sure looks different :) Look at how often they change up box graphics on an existing successful popular line. It's a lot more marketing influenced than in the past.

    Scientific Anglers did market some of the JW Outfitters chest / fanny packs, etc, for a brief time before dropping them entirely. I was a little sore when they bought out Craig Harris, originator of Harris reels [built right on the banks of the Pere Marquette in Baldwin MI] I never saw such a sorry attempt at marketing.. likely only enough effort to satisy contract terms. One less option for the consumer.
     
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  13. generic

    generic Justified

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    I just got mine of of storage, didn't know I still had it. The line is bomb proof! That clear outer coating (what ever it is) is amazing tough stuff!

    As far as the floating lines, I wish they would make one where the last 10' wouldn't fall apart after 40 days of fishing. Although, the peach color line is alright. My dad had one I bought for him, and it lasted a pretty long time.
     
  14. Salmo_g

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    Still fishing my old Cortland 444 peach floating lines. Newer models might be better, but I'm not sure why I'd change.

    Sg
     
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    My Cortland 444 also still floats. Newer is not always better -- I've seen that many times in the auto biz.