First, I agree. Second, I'm too new at tying to really put in a vote, but here is mine anyway. If you host then freaking host already. If you join then do your job. It is not that freaking tough. I join not to tie you dazzling flies, but hopefully they will make you chuckle or make your line get streteched, I join to tie. TLL, your ties are awesome and you tie faster than a chinese fly factory (not that such a pace is bad, but I can't hang with that). I tied three of my streamers tonight and need to tie five more. I think tomorrow I'll tie the rest at which time I may get into a better groove and tie a dozen or more and then send the best 8 and keep the worst 4 for myself. DFL your one fly I got in a swap is still one of my favorite dragonfly nymph patterns. You two are right on for getting on the soapbox and chastising those that are not willing to step up and do their job. I've got about 6 working days to get mine done for the streamer swap...I could opt out of pattern two, but I need the practice...so tomorrow I'll tie again.