Swap Courtesy for a Fly Swap

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by dryflylarry, Mar 15, 2009.

  1. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    First, I agree. Second, I'm too new at tying to really put in a vote, but here is mine anyway. If you host then freaking host already. If you join then do your job. It is not that freaking tough. I join not to tie you dazzling flies, but hopefully they will make you chuckle or make your line get streteched, I join to tie.

    TLL, your ties are awesome and you tie faster than a chinese fly factory (not that such a pace is bad, but I can't hang with that). I tied three of my streamers tonight and need to tie five more. I think tomorrow I'll tie the rest at which time I may get into a better groove and tie a dozen or more and then send the best 8 and keep the worst 4 for myself.

    DFL your one fly I got in a swap is still one of my favorite dragonfly nymph patterns.

    You two are right on for getting on the soapbox and chastising those that are not willing to step up and do their job. I've got about 6 working days to get mine done for the streamer swap...I could opt out of pattern two, but I need the practice...so tomorrow I'll tie again.
     
  2. Norm Frechette

    Norm Frechette Googlemeister

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    i'd like to add that if your flies are mailed after the swap deadline you get your flies back without any of the swap flies. everybody else made the deadline for mailing in the flies, so shouldnt you
     
  3. Norm Frechette

    Norm Frechette Googlemeister

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    The most important thing I consider in being in a swap is have fun, be patient and communicate, ask for help when you need it.

    Here are some helpful things to consider when joining or hosting a swap.

    These are suggestions, that will help Swapmeisters and tiers to have a pleasureable swap and a good time.

    It is important that Swapmeisters and Tiers communicate with each other thru PM or on the BB. Swapmeisters it is a good idea to check your post at least once a day, to see if you have any more swappers that have signed up, or in case any of your swappers have questions.

    1- Swapmeister - When you post your swap, give a signup deadline, and a deadline for the flies to be in. Give instructions on what type of flies to tie. Give a total on the number of tiers for the swap. Give a total for the amount of flies needed for the swap. Give your instruction for mailing in flies. I usually post my addy after I have all tiers signed up. But if you are uncomfortable posting your addy you can also PM your addy to them. When the swap is full post on the BB it is full so other tiers won't be waisting there time trying to join the swap.

    2- Tiers- When you join a swap please adhere to the deadlines. Post what type of fly you will be tying. (I also like to post the recipe for the fly I will be tying.) Please use PM or BB with the Swapmeister for communications about the swap.

    3- Tiers - either post on the BB when you have mailed in your flies or PM the Swapmeister.

    4- Tiers - When mailing your flies, please send them in a strong enough and big enough box to protect them and to hold all of the flies you will be receiving back. Mark the box with your name and address and your on line nickname. Mail them at least 10 days before the end of the swap so they will get to the Swapmiester by the deadline date or earlier.

    5- Tiers - include in with your flies a self addressed envelope that is strong enough for the fly box you send and will receive back. Include postage (please do not use metered mail strips on return envelopes) or money (I do not recommend sending cash) in the proper amount to send the flies back to you. I also add Delivery Confirmaton to mine. I also put my online name on both envelopes. Plus the swap name.

    6- Tiers - if you want your flies sent back to you Priority Mail be sure to include enough postage to cover the increased cost over First Class Postage.

    7- Tiers - include with your flies a toetag (small piece of paper) with the name of the fly, your name or handle, and your email addy so the other tiers can email you for the fly tying instructions.

    8- Swapmeister - when you receive flies from the tiers, let them know on the BB or PM them that you have received them.

    9- Swapmeister - once you receive all flies from all tiers sort them, get them all packaged up and deleiver them to the post office in a timely manner. Notify all tiers either on the BB or by PM that you have mailed out the flies to them.

    10- Tiers - when you receive the swap flies back in the mail notify the Swapmeister on the BB or by PM that you have received them.

    11- Swapmeister - when the swap is over and all have received their flies, mark your post as Swap Completed.

    12- Above all else everyone have a lot of fun with the swap and be open to suggestions and comments, we can all learn from each other.

    This is just a suggestion, but not required. It is always nice to include a little extra for the Swapmeister for the work he or she does in conducting the swap.
     
  4. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Ha, how about mail yours after the deadline, swapmeister adds your to everyone's delayed boxes and you get an empty box back!:thumb:
     
  5. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Thanks for the input you all! I did wonder if I was the only grouch about this. One other thing that did "Pop My Bubble" was I entered a swap, the pictures were posted, but mine was NOT included!!! Ha! I actually laughed and said to the computer screen, "You flakey *%&%##& !! I figure the guy just slipped up....
     
  6. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    This is why I don't enter fly swaps. I tie purely for pleasure. I rarely tie one pattern over and over again. IF I ever sit down and concentrate on one pattern it is only because I am going on an extended trip and have come to believe that there will be a magic pattern that I can't leave home without.

    My point is that IF I entered a swap, I would take the responsibility seriously and make damn sure that I had my contribution done on time. If that makes me a grouch then so be it but I am a preemptive grouch.

    TC
     
  7. Dick Ross

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    I have done a lot of swaps over the years, some on this site and many more on three other sites. It has been a rare swap where every one got them in by the deadline and shipped out on time. I have been on both sides of the coin, sometimes early, sometimes late. I have come to expect taht I won't get the flies till at least two weeks from the end of the deadline. The flies I tie and get from these swaps are above and beyond what I need to go fishing. In fact I have three shadow boxes of 36 flies each that I have gleaned from my swaps that I think are just simply beautiful ties. I join the swaps to see what other tiers are doing, to stretch my abilities (certain swaps ask for things like woven nymphs), and to keep me tying when i have most of my own flies done. I agree communication is paramount between swappers and swap miester, but patience is also necessary on all parts. Life happens and when you have 12 different individuals it is going to happen to one of them most likely if not more.
    If you are to go with your category of "No Slackers" it is my opinion that you will end up with the some one in that group who will be late then struck from the list till there are three of you left. As far as sending back the persons flies for being late, if you think taking longer to get your flies back is draining enthusiasm from serious tiers, than you will be killing it for those tiers. I guess that then would make us the elitists that many people think that fly fisherman are.
    If you are one of those super organized people who calendars, deadlines and organization are paramount, you do need to be in swaps with the same kind of people. I imagine their tying desk is completely organized and perfectly clean. Mine on the other hand is usually messy and I spend a good deal of time at the begining just finding what I need to tie the particular fly I want to to tie. I guess I need to be in a more relaxed patient swap. I will say, if I am late it will only be a day or two, not a week or two. I also know that it takes the extremely organized to do a great job hosting a swap and that I am not a good candidate for being a swap miester so I do not.
    I guess what I am trying to say through this rambling monologe is that Yes we do need to be responsible about deadlines and getting things done when we are supposed to, but we also need to be a little flexible.
     
  8. sharpshooter223

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    I think there is acctually a bit of truth to that. In the skwala swap i had sent mine decently early so they will arrive before the deadline. by the way from here to moses lake should only take a day to ship anything. The flies ended up there way later than they should have, i dont remember exactly how long but i think at least a week. Oh, and the envelope was destroyed.
     
  9. twinlakesleach

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    I got tired of joining swaps and then having to wait for 1-4 weeks to get your flies!!! This seems to be a pattern for some swapmeisters. I just don't understand. STICK WITH THE DEADLINE AND MAIL THE FLIES OUT!!!!! It is plain RUDE to make everyone else wait just because someone does not know how to read a calendar. I have no problem giving everyone an extra day or maybe 2, but any longer than that is uncalled for. The deadline is there for a reason.


    I have to ask. How hard is it to really tie on average 12 flies??? I signed up for the Mini Trout Marathon Swap. That is 12 flies for 5 months for a total of 60 flies - 5 different patterns. I sat down on a Saturday and tied them ALL, and still managed to do some things around the house. I had them in the mail on Monday. It is not that hard to tie any flies for a swap and meet the deadline - even with "honey do's", work, play, & fishing (last time i checked there is not too much night time fly fishing going on!) IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH YOUR PRIORITIES. The way i look at it, if you even think for a moment that you may not be able to make a deadline for a swap - DON'T SIGN UP. :beathead:

    TLL
     
  10. Jim Speaker

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    Yeah, I agree. If you think it might be an issue don't sign up. But, if you're gonna get 'er done and send 'em off in time - let's swap! I've only been in two now, and the first one I did have an etiquette blunder that I apologized for, but I think they're great fun and enjoy fishing stuff that other people tied and seeing what's good about styles I haven't explored. I agree with the statement in this thread that swaps are a matter of integrity - tie to the best of your ability, send 'em off on time, include return postage/container, fun fun!

    Here's the up side to tying a dozen or more at a time... for me anyways since I usually only tie 3 or 4 of a pattern/size and box 'em, then 3 or 4 of another... I found that tying a dozen straight not only improved my speed on the fly but I made some corrections in the mechanics of attaching certain materials so it sped things up and made a more resilient bug.

    Eh, a couple cents... cheers :beer2:
     
  11. Cruncher

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    You know, the excuse of "something came up" does not roll with me.

    I've been in quite a few swaps here and elsewhere and have been lucky enough to not have any issues (well one but who's counting) but I do lurk and read about other swap goings on and read of delays some swaps encounter.

    My view is: you see the type of swap you may be interested in, check the deadline and if it works for you, go ahead and join but then PLAN ON START TYING WITHIN A WEEK of joining. Plain and simple. Then there's no issues, you send them in early and sit back and wait for the mailman. I've actually passed on a couple swaps recently just because I knew I couldn't follow through on the commitment, even though I almost talked my self into it but after the fact, I was glad I didn't so as to ruin it for others.

    Clearly the "something came up" scenario is 99.999% the direct result of procrastinating until the point that something may in fact genuinely may come up before the due date and then it's too late to recover.

    Something usually can't "come up" and stick around for 4 to 6 weeks, unless there is an utter catastrophe the next day or week after a swapper joins but if that were the case, they could quickly back out of that swap, so lateness is not an option in my world, plain and simple.
     
  12. ifrank

    ifrank Peace Love and Fly Fishing

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    I agree that late fly submissions are a downer on a swap. I fairly recently got my flies back from my first swap (Blackmouth/resident coho swap), Thanks Clint. I had been wanting to enter one for a while and had read the complete conversation of several swaps. As a result I had expected that there would probably be at least one late person to get flies to the master. So I wasn't disappointed when I didn't get the flies when I was hopping to. That didn't mean that I wasn't very eager to get them. And I was very excited when I saw what I got. As a result I have added several patterns to my tying arsenal. I am already signed up for my second.

    Although it may suck to be waiting on other people, the reward may be to get something that you may not have ever known about before.

    That said, a list of people that are ALWAYS late may be helpful to the master so that he/she knows who not to wait for. Possibly if they get nothing back a time or two they may learn the lesson.
     
  13. Norm Frechette

    Norm Frechette Googlemeister

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    thats even better :beer2:
     
  14. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I better get my ass to tying for a swap I'm in. I've got one full pattern set done but have five more from pattern two to tie. I'd hate to be the first guy to get back an empty box!
     
  15. Ned Wright

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    This is one of the reasons I was so bummed to see Ron Eagle Elk not continue the marathon swap. He took pictures, posted info and got everything in the mail on time.

    Swaps are a bit democratic I suppose. If you get a bad reputation people likely will not join your swaps or take you into their swaps.

    Begging for flies is a pain. I have been pleasantly surprised by the swappers in the marathon swap, but we are only 2/5 done.....