From what I'm reading 500 is the minimum number for returns to allow fishing! not what the system can actually handle! What is the maximum numbers for the system? So your saying WDFW SAYS "500 IS MAXIMUM CAPACITY" That is why I posted the chinook numbers for the sandy, it being generally in the same region has a return of 2,500 to 3,500 wild spawning fall chinook, the reason why I am baffled by the 500 number and don't agree with it. But if that is what the Wdfw staff wants to put out than I guess that is the number is it going to be in all reality now isn't it. I, as a free thinker don't agree with those numbers, call me stupid, say I can't do math. I compared it to other capacity numbers of another river in the region and is what I base my conclusion on. Those Chinook numbers were before they took out the dam and changed alot of the stocking programs. I don't know what the numbers are now and I do not believe they ever had a stocking program for fall chinook - just spring chinook. So would it be safe to say only 500 chinook spawn but 2,500 return on average to the sandy but the 2,500 do nothing to help being only 500 can spawn? If this is the case than I have to agree! If that is the maximum numbers of spawners (not the minimum) the river can handle than I agree with you on the numbers we are writing about. I have fished the wind in years past and there is very little access to the lower part of the river. I don't even know if you can float the river, I know you can't the lower 10 miles or so. the pressure is not what it is on other rivers because of access and the river seems to have plenty of good habitat to me maybe some of the best in the region! This is what baffles me about the wind river numbers that have been posted and the main reason I had to respond to the thread "sorry for the hi-jack" now I want to read all the river capacity numbers in the region to compare to what is given to the wind --- any site or documents I can look at and compare them with Oregon river numbers being put out? I'm willing to learn about this capacity number for sure! or prove it wrong with other regional river capacity numbers in both our states. What would be interesting is to know what the Hood river capacity numbers are being right across the Columbia but numbers and research being from a different state and a different fisheries department. Well now I have to look it up! "I'LL BE BACK" Salmo, I do have to say I like what you have put in this thread overall with a pretty non biased view! two thumbs up!