I'm sold on my Renegade. I don't do any rivers excluding the lower Yak & a few meandering streams back home, but it works for me (and is fairly easy for an old fart to load & carry). Dealings with Dave have been excellent & I'm comfortable in it all day. I'm contemplating a Koffler pram, but only so I can take my pup with me . . . I feel like a selfish ass when I leave Hank at home.